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[zan]

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Is an honest public debate too much to ask?

January 29, 2012

By Patrick

PRESIDENT Christofias continues to be in denial about the imposition of time-frames on the peace procedure by the UN Secretary-General, while opposition politicians are busy scoring points over his failure to achieve his modest objectives at Greentree. These were not so much objectives but stalling tactics aimed at keeping the so-called Cypriot-owned talks dragging on inconclusively for as long as possible.

Ban Ki-moon justifiably felt he had he given enough time to the leaders to reach agreement on the core issues. When he met them in New York in July he asked them negotiate intensively so as to reach convergences on all the core issues by October, when he had scheduled another meeting. In October they met at Greentree having failed to reach convergences and Ban told them that when he met them again in January he expected all internal aspects of the Cyprus problem to have been agreed so that he could call a multilateral conference to resolve the remaining issues. Again, they returned empty-handed.

Having been taken for a ride yet again, he decided to change tack. He would not be directly involved in the procedure again, giving all responsibility to his Special Advisor, Alexander Downer, who would report back to him by the end of March about the progress made, with a view to calling a multilateral conference. Christofias and party leadership made a big mistake in ignoring Ban’s references to the ‘end-game’ at earlier meetings and his letter pointing out that the talks had entered the ‘final phase’. There was no way the timeframes could have been avoided forever.

Worse still, Christofias’ oft-repeated argument that the intransigence of the Turkish Cypriot side was exclusively to blame for the lack of progress was not shared by Ban. In his statement on Wednesday he urged both leaders to ‘make decisive steps to move to a final agreement’ which indicated that he did not hold the Turkish side solely responsible for the deadlock.

But how would this intransigence be overcome if the Cypriot ownership of the talks was maintained? Dervis Eroglu simply sticks to his positions and the talks lead nowhere. Would the intransigence eventually vanish, if the two sides carried on talking for five or 10 more years? Without some form of arbitration or at least mediation by the UN the two sides would not move to an agreement, even if they were talking for another hundred years. Interminable negotiations seem to have become an end in itself for the Greek Cypriot side. But after Greentree, Ban made it emphatically clear this was not an option, something everyone understood except Christofias and his spokesmen.

Instead of collectively protesting, attacking Alexander Downer, advancing conspiracy theories about the development, we should see it as one last chance to decide what we really want. This is our last opportunity for an honest public debate, which we have never had, about what type of settlement we would be happy with. Do we want to share power with the Turkish Cypriots in a bi-zonal, bi-communal federation? Would we rather have a confederation, with minimal contact between the constituent states or would we prefer partition with some territorial re-adjustments?

We could decide that we do not want to enter any agreement with the Turkish side, but people should be made aware of the consequences of such a choice. The demagogues who have been giving false hopes about the ‘European solution’ with the strong central state, in which the Turkish Cypriots would return to being a minority and all Greek Cypriots would return to their homes, should be made to explain how, practically, they propose to achieve this dream. Would they wage a war, because they are not going to persuade the Turkish Cypriots to accept the role of minority ruled by the Greek Cypriots at negotiations?

Ever since the invasion, Greek Cypriots have been served lies, empty promises and false hopes by our politicians. Is an honest public debate about our real choices and how we would achieve each one too much to ask of our politicians?

The Secretary-General spoke very clearly about an endgame and set a timeframe for the multilateral conference that would conclude the procedure. We could use this as the last opportunity to make the decision we have been refusing to make for 37 years or ignore it and carry on living with the false hopes and lies served up by the Cyprus problem demagogues.

[Piratis]

What we want is the liberation of the north part of our island. The TCs are welcomed to share power with us proportionately (18% of it) but nothing more than that.

The status quo is far better than any disguised partition such as Annan plan, and the British sponsored Cyprus Mail should stop serving lies and false hope to the people that such "solution" would actually unite Cyprus and would actually solve our problems.

Our only real choice is to maintain our rights over the north part of our island and wait for the balance of power to change. Meanwhile we should strengthen our position as much as we can by creating alliances with other friendly countries, and cause as much harm to our enemies as possible in return to the harm they cause to us.

Obviously our politicians will not come out to say this. Just like others are bullshitting us we are bullshitting them in return.

[Maximus]

A European Union style solution would be a good place to start. Each 'state' can be 'masters of their domain' with a territorial adjustment that is fair and equitable. We are talking an 18:82 (territorial and coastline) split with a roadmap towards deeper integration between the two "cypriot states".

The 'TC state' would have its own EEZ with Turkey. The 'GC state' will also have its own EEZ and some of it will adjoint Turkey's. Turkey must ratify the law of the sea. All natural gas finds in 'their respective EEZ's' will belong to the respective 'state'. movement of goods and people between the 'two states' will be free and open.

Turkey must recognise all of this, implement the Ankara protocal and 'respect the sovereignity' of both 'Cypriot states' and not meddle in their internal affairs.

[Viewpoint]

What we want is the liberation of the north part of our island. The TCs are welcomed to share power with us proportionately (18% of it) but nothing more than that.

The status quo is far better than any disguised partition such as Annan plan, and the British sponsored Cyprus Mail should stop serving lies and false hope to the people that such "solution" would actually unite Cyprus and would actually solve our problems.

Our only real choice is to maintain our rights over the north part of our island and wait for the balance of power to change. Meanwhile we should strengthen our position as much as we can by creating alliances with other friendly countries, and cause as much harm to our enemies as possible in return to the harm they cause to us.

Obviously our politicians will not come out to say this. Just like others are bullshitting us we are bullshitting them in return.

As i stated each side will pursue their own agenda.

[zan]

What we want is the liberation of the north part of our island. The TCs are welcomed to share power with us proportionately (18% of it) but nothing more than that.

The status quo is far better than any disguised partition such as Annan plan, and the British sponsored Cyprus Mail should stop serving lies and false hope to the people that such "solution" would actually unite Cyprus and would actually solve our problems.

Our only real choice is to maintain our rights over the north part of our island and wait for the balance of power to change. Meanwhile we should strengthen our position as much as we can by creating alliances with other friendly countries, and cause as much harm to our enemies as possible in return to the harm they cause to us.

Obviously our politicians will not come out to say this. Just like others are bullshitting us we a re bullshitting them in return.

As i stated each side will pursue their own agenda.

Convert to Islam re Piratis! At least you can have a great time with many virgins whilst you sit on your clowd waiting

[Kikapu]

Zan, who the fcuk is Patrick?

http://m.cyprus-mail.com/president-deme ... k/20120129

Is an honest public debate too much to ask?

January 29, 2012

By Patrick

[zan]

Zan, who the fcuk is Patrick?

http://m.cyprus-mail.com/president-deme ... k/20120129

Is an honest public debate too much to ask?

January 29, 2012

By Patrick

Who the fuck cares.....There are plenty of pages to make you sweat.....Wanna take them on and leave patrick alone? I never liked the term "Gavur" but you really are one. memleketsiz pussy!!!!

[Kikapu]

Zan, who the fcuk is Patrick?

http://m.cyprus-mail.com/president-deme ... k/20120129

Is an honest public debate too much to ask?

January 29, 2012

By Patrick

Who the fuck cares.....There are plenty of pages to make you sweat.....Wanna take them on and leave patrick alone? I never liked the term "Gavur" but you really are one. memleketsiz pussy!!!!

The reason why I asked who the fcuk Patrick is, it is not on the report with the link you gave, so how did the name Patrick appeared on the report you posted above. Would you please kindly explain that to me.

[zan]

Zan, who the fcuk is Patrick?

http://m.cyprus-mail.com/president-deme ... k/20120129

Is an honest public debate too much to ask?

January 29, 2012

By Patrick

Who the fuck cares.....There are plenty of pages to make you sweat.....Wanna take them on and leave patrick alone? I never liked the term "Gavur" but you really are one. memleketsiz pussy!!!!

The reason why I asked who the fcuk Patrick is, it is not on the report with the link you gave, so how did the name Patrick appeared on the report you posted above. Would you please kindly explain that to me.

A saint....Who gives a fuck again..........

[Kikapu]

Zan, who the fcuk is Patrick?

http://m.cyprus-mail.com/president-deme ... k/20120129

Is an honest public debate too much to ask?

January 29, 2012

By Patrick

Who the fuck cares.....There are plenty of pages to make you sweat.....Wanna take them on and leave patrick alone? I never liked the term "Gavur" but you really are one. memleketsiz pussy!!!!

The reason why I asked who the fcuk Patrick is, it is not on the report with the link you gave, so how did the name Patrick appeared on the report you posted above. Would you please kindly explain that to me.

A saint....Who gives a fuck again..........

You're no Saint, Zan!

Well it's important, and I do give a fcuk, is the reason why I raised the question in the first place by asking "Who the fcuk is Patrick"..

Your whole post has to do with "Honesty" and yet, there seems to be some dishonesty going on here, that the name "Patrick" appears on the report that you posted above, and yet the name Patrick does not appear on the report with the link you gave. What I want to know is, how can that happen and why did it happen?