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[Lordo]

lordo

TCs are no longer interested in a a united Cyprus.

they never were .... and ....neither are the GC's in a divided Cyprus. So the game is where it has been for the past 37 years lol. With the exception that the RoC is an equal State in the EU respected and progressive to where it has been trusted to Preside over the EU and trusted that it will do the right thing for all its citizens. People are by far doing better than the people under the Turkish regime led by Eroglu .... a man ... who wishes to hold its people back because he is pro Turkish and anti Cyprus.

So according to your logic because the Scandinavian countries are far better of that you GCs economically your leaders are holding you back...doesnt work that way mastermind. We in the TRNC may be behind south Cyprus but please take into account the opportunity chasm which you have stolen from us but even under the restrictions we are still far better off than the majority of countries in the world. The major desire for the majority of TCs is not wealth, first is security, second is self governance and third is wealth. Your mentality is to own 3 cars and take 3 holidays a year or own a million euro home, it does not necessarily mean that the people in the north are losing out just because they have 2 cars take one holiday a year or live in a 3 bed semi. These are all the mind games played by Gcs trying to get gullible people like kikaooo to think that if they accept GC demands life will be much much better than now and that Turkey is the big bad wolf denying you your rights. Well it dont work that way people can move south tomorrow to this so called promised land but they still refuse to do so because to them it is more a foreign land with more dangers and pitfalls than any other country in the Europe.

The major desire for the majority of TCs is not wealth, first is security, second is self governance and third is wealth.

What a deluded fool you must be, because you do not have any of the obove and neither likely to have them anytime soon.

The so called self governance is a total joke which you are under the thumb of Turkey who pulls all the strings and you dance like the puppet that you are. Soon the Turks will replace you in the so called government in the north and kick the TCs out on their ass. Security you don't have, since you need to live under occupation of a foreign power. Wealth you cannot have since 80% of the land in the north is GC owned. Anything you build on the GCs land is and will always be contested. It's like building on quicksand, as well as, you will never own the GC land unless the RoC lets you.

So much for your future under the present conditions. Your thought process is no different than a common thief who ONLY thinks for that moment when he steals and gains something at others expense, but does not stop to think if what he is doing has any future at all. Most of they they do not!

I am still waiting for your response to TCs accepting a united Cyprus with all Makarios demands accepted by Dengtash and Turkey. Only Makarios and Greece rejected them. One must ask why? What was the reason?

[Kikapu]

lordo

TCs are no longer interested in a a united Cyprus.

they never were .... and ....neither are the GC's in a divided Cyprus. So the game is where it has been for the past 37 years lol. With the exception that the RoC is an equal State in the EU respected and progressive to where it has been trusted to Preside over the EU and trusted that it will do the right thing for all its citizens. People are by far doing better than the people under the Turkish regime led by Eroglu .... a man ... who wishes to hold its people back because he is pro Turkish and anti Cyprus.

So according to your logic because the Scandinavian countries are far better of that you GCs economically your leaders are holding you back...doesnt work that way mastermind. We in the TRNC may be behind south Cyprus but please take into account the opportunity chasm which you have stolen from us but even under the restrictions we are still far better off than the majority of countries in the world. The major desire for the majority of TCs is not wealth, first is security, second is self governance and third is wealth. Your mentality is to own 3 cars and take 3 holidays a year or own a million euro home, it does not necessarily mean that the people in the north are losing out just because they have 2 cars take one holiday a year or live in a 3 bed semi. These are all the mind games played by Gcs trying to get gullible people like kikaooo to think that if they accept GC demands life will be much much better than now and that Turkey is the big bad wolf denying you your rights. Well it dont work that way people can move south tomorrow to this so called promised land but they still refuse to do so because to them it is more a foreign land with more dangers and pitfalls than any other country in the Europe.

The major desire for the majority of TCs is not wealth, first is security, second is self governance and third is wealth.

What a deluded fool you must be, because you do not have any of the obove and neither likely to have them anytime soon.

The so called self governance is a total joke which you are under the thumb of Turkey who pulls all the strings and you dance like the puppet that you are. Soon the Turks will replace you in the so called government in the north and kick the TCs out on their ass. Security you don't have, since you need to live under occupation of a foreign power. Wealth you cannot have since 80% of the land in the north is GC owned. Anything you build on the GCs land is and will always be contested. It's like building on quicksand, as well as, you will never own the GC land unless the RoC lets you.

So much for your future under the present conditions. Your thought process is no different than a common thief who ONLY thinks for that moment when he steals and gains something at others expense, but does not stop to think if what he is doing has any future at all. Most of they they do not!

I am still waiting for your response to TCs accepting a united Cyprus with all Makarios demands accepted by Dengtash and Turkey. Only Makarios and Greece rejected them. One must ask why? What was the reason?

Oh sorry, I didn't know you were waiting for me.

I don't know the answer to your question, assuming it is true, but feel free to tell us if you do!

But be careful not to make assumptions, confusing them with actual FACTS!

[Lordo]

Here is the acceptance of the 13 points Makarios Demanded by Dengtas.

http://www.cyprus-conflict.net/Clerides ... %2771.html

And here is Confirmation that Clerides admits it was wrong of them not to accept the proposal. As it gave them all the 13 points and more.
http://www.cyprus-conflict.net/clerides ... t%202.html

Noe at this point Did Dengtas and Turkey believe in unified Cyprus or not. If they did not, how could they accept the 13 point amendment to the constitution.

[Kikapu]

The so called self governance is a total joke which you are under the thumb of Turkey who pulls all the strings and you dance like the puppet that you are. Soon the Turks will replace you in the so called government in the north and kick the TCs out on their ass.

If we are not worried about it why are you?

Thanks for confirming that your so called "self governance" is a joke!

Security you don't have, since you need to live under occupation of a foreign power.

40.000 troops and GCs kept south proves you wrong.

No, it proves you wrong, since GCs and TCs can cross into both sides of the island at will. The ONLY thing that the 40,000 TA is doing, is securing stolen property and nothing else. That's the only job the TA is doing, preventing rightful owners from returning to their homes. No wonder Turkey wins a Hat-trick, as the most Human rights violations once again, making it 3 in a row in 3 years. Actually call it a Double Hat-trick!!

Wealth you cannot have since 80% of the land in the north is GC owned. Anything you build on the GCs land is and will always be contested. It's like building on quicksand, as well as, you will never own the GC land unless the RoC lets you.

38 years and no sign of a solution and continued investment in the TRNC proves you wrong yet again, much to your disappointment no one is starving and we do have shoes on our feet.

Time may pass, memories may fade, but the title deeds are forever. Anything that you are building on stolen GC land is like building on quicksand. The worst kind of investment one can make.

So much for your future under the present conditions. Your thought process is no different than a common thief who ONLY thinks for that moment when he steals and gains something at others expense, but does not stop to think if what he is doing has any future at all. Most of they they do not!

Again i have to remind you that you cannot steal what is already yours, all we have to do is watch the stupid Gcs run around in circles thinking thy can get the north back from the EU UN USA Israel etc when without our consent they will get nothing.

But you have stole GCs properties, but you will never own them unless the original owners are willing to sell them. As for the state land, even as a joint owner, you can still be accused of stealing if it's against the will of the other owners. I have given you examples of one embezzling money from business accounts owned by joint owners. It is not just your money, but everyone's money, which means you cannot say "I'm also the owner of this money, therefore I empty the business bank account and no one can call me a thief". Well, as always, you are wrong. Only the criminal minded common thief can make such justifications for their illegal actions. You seem to fit the profile perfectly!

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You are wrong yet again as you are having great problems understanding that we to have rights to those funds of the hypothetical company you go on about. don't forget we didnt empty the bank account we left the GCs 63% of the balance a lot more than we did.

Kikapu look we dont have to agree on anything and you cant do anything to force me, I personally do not accept nor support your accepting minority rights attitude and gifting the whole island to the GCs...we are equal communities and demand our rights equally.

[Kikapu]

You are wrong yet again as you are having great problems understanding that we to have rights to those funds of the hypothetical company you go on about. don't forget we didnt empty the bank account we left the GCs 63% of the balance a lot more than we did.

Kikapu look we dont have to agree on anything and you cant do anything to force me, I personally do not accept nor support your accepting minority rights attitude and gifting the whole island to the GCs...we are equal communities and demand our rights equally.

No one wants to deny you anything. You will be an equal citizen just like anyone else like any other Democratic country. Minority/Majority is only a state of mind, since ONLY a majority political party rule over the country for a period of time and not ruled by specific ethnic group. All ethnic groups are mixed in any political party to take part and become part of the majority if they wish to do so, or stay withing the political party that suits their own political ideology.

As for the joint ownership thing, it is not important how much money you withdraw from the joint account. If it's against the wishes of the others, it is still a theft. Just like if you had 5 underage kids and you take one of the kids away from your spouse forcefully or against court order, you are kidnapping that child, even-though you are also a parent to that child. Now do you get it?

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kikapu

No one wants to deny you anything. You will be an equal citizen just like anyone else like any other Democratic country. Minority/Majority is only a state of mind, since ONLY a majority political party rule over the country for a period of time and not ruled by specific ethnic group. All ethnic groups are mixed in any political party to take part and become part of the majority if they wish to do so, or stay withing the political party that suits their own political ideology.

Its the surgeon we do not trust not the scalpel, thats why the surgeon has to be forced to do the right thing and not step out of line as was the case in the past.

As for the joint ownership thing, it is not important how much money you withdraw from the joint account. If it's against the wishes of the others, it is still a theft. Just like if you had 5 underage kids and you take one of the kids away from your spouse forcefully or against court order, you are kidnapping that child, even-though you are also a parent to that child. Now do you get it?

So having access to your own kids for you is bad thing?? please dont even go there. The division will remain as long as there is no mutual agreement to unite you cannot force us and we cannot force you.

[boulio]

i love how VP EQUATES that they left the g/c with 63% like they did them a favor,even if thats the case vp how are you entitled to 37%?

based on figures from the land registry how do you come up to 37% with the following figures:

61%-gc private land
13%-tc private land
26%-state land

at best you are entitled to 25% land if we split the state land 50-50
at worst you are entitled to 18% land if we split the state land 82-18%(population)
at the medium level you are entlted to 21% if we split the state land 70-30%(represenetation in the govt in 1960.)

[Viewpoint]

i love how VP EQUATES that they left the g/c with 63% like they did them a favor,even if thats the case vp how are you entitled to 37%?

based on figures from the land registry how do you come up to 37% with the following figures:

61%-gc private land
13%-tc private land
26%-state land

at best you are entitled to 25% land if we split the state land 50-50
at worst you are entitled to 18% land if we split the state land 82-18%(population)
at the medium level you are entlted to 21% if we split the state land 70-30%(represenetation in the govt in 1960.)

Now you are trying to split all the children into 2 parts instead of sharing them as whole to each parent.

[Kikapu]

kikapu
No one wants to deny you anything. You will be an equal citizen just like anyone else like any other Democratic country. Minority/Majority is only a state of mind, since ONLY a majority political party rule over the country for a period of time and not ruled by specific ethnic group. All ethnic groups are mixed in any political party to take part and become part of the majority if they wish to do so, or stay withing the political party that suits their own political ideology.

Its the surgeon we do not trust not the scalpel, thats why the surgeon has to be forced to do the right thing and not step out of line as was the case in the past.

The "surgeons", TC & GC will be under the direction of the EU Principles and not under the GCs or the TCs. The old days are over.

As for the joint ownership thing, it is not important how much money you withdraw from the joint account. If it's against the wishes of the others, it is still a theft. Just like if you had 5 underage kids and you take one of the kids away from your spouse forcefully or against court order, you are kidnapping that child, even-though you are also a parent to that child. Now do you get it?

So having access to your own kids for you is bad thing?? please dont even go there. The division will remain as long as there is no mutual agreement to unite you cannot force us and we cannot force you.

No one is talking about you not having an access to your child. We are talking about kidnapping your child. Two different things, don't you think?