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Re: What happened at GreenTree?

Postby Kikapu » Sun Jan 29, 2012 3:33 pm

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TCs are no longer interested in a a united Cyprus.
they never were .... and ....neither are the GC's in a divided Cyprus. So the game is where it has been for the past 37 years lol. With the exception that the RoC is an equal State in the EU respected and progressive to where it has been trusted to Preside over the EU and trusted that it will do the right thing for all its citizens. People are by far doing better than the people under the Turkish regime led by Eroglu .... a man ... who wishes to hold its people back because he is pro Turkish and anti Cyprus.


So according to your logic because the Scandinavian countries are far better of that you GCs economically your leaders are holding you back...doesnt work that way mastermind. We in the TRNC may be behind south Cyprus but please take into account the opportunity chasm which you have stolen from us but even under the restrictions we are still far better off than the majority of countries in the world. The major desire for the majority of TCs is not wealth, first is security, second is self governance and third is wealth. Your mentality is to own 3 cars and take 3 holidays a year or own a million euro home, it does not necessarily mean that the people in the north are losing out just because they have 2 cars take one holiday a year or live in a 3 bed semi. These are all the mind games played by Gcs trying to get gullible people like kikaooo to think that if they accept GC demands life will be much much better than now and that Turkey is the big bad wolf denying you your rights. Well it dont work that way people can move south tomorrow to this so called promised land but they still refuse to do so because to them it is more a foreign land with more dangers and pitfalls than any other country in the Europe.


The major desire for the majority of TCs is not wealth, first is security, second is self governance and third is wealth.


What a deluded fool you must be, because you do not have any of the obove and neither likely to have them anytime soon.

The so called self governance is a total joke which you are under the thumb of Turkey who pulls all the strings and you dance like the puppet that you are. Soon the Turks will replace you in the so called government in the north and kick the TCs out on their ass. Security you don't have, since you need to live under occupation of a foreign power. Wealth you cannot have since 80% of the land in the north is GC owned. Anything you build on the GCs land is and will always be contested. It's like building on quicksand, as well as, you will never own the GC land unless the RoC lets you.

So much for your future under the present conditions. Your thought process is no different than a common thief who ONLY thinks for that moment when he steals and gains something at others expense, but does not stop to think if what he is doing has any future at all. Most of they they do not!
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Re: What happened at GreenTree?

Postby zan » Sun Jan 29, 2012 3:51 pm

And the bogey man will come and take all your teeth away OOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!


Oh I forgot!!! Do we sing; Row row row your boat now :lol:
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Re: What happened at GreenTree?

Postby Viewpoint » Sun Jan 29, 2012 4:50 pm

Kikapu
The so called self governance is a total joke which you are under the thumb of Turkey who pulls all the strings and you dance like the puppet that you are. Soon the Turks will replace you in the so called government in the north and kick the TCs out on their ass.


If we are not worried about it why are you?

Security you don't have, since you need to live under occupation of a foreign power.


40.000 troops and GCs kept south proves you wrong.

Wealth you cannot have since 80% of the land in the north is GC owned. Anything you build on the GCs land is and will always be contested. It's like building on quicksand, as well as, you will never own the GC land unless the RoC lets you.


38 years and no sign of a solution and continued investment in the TRNC proves you wrong yet again, much to your disappointment no one is starving and we do have shoes on our feet.

So much for your future under the present conditions. Your thought process is no different than a common thief who ONLY thinks for that moment when he steals and gains something at others expense, but does not stop to think if what he is doing has any future at all. Most of they they do not!


Again i have to remind you that you cannot steal what is already yours, all we have to do is watch the stupid Gcs run around in circles thinking thy can get the north back from the EU UN USA Israel etc when without our consent they will get nothing.
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Re: What happened at GreenTree?

Postby Viewpoint » Sun Jan 29, 2012 10:23 pm

So it looks like the Gcs lost a lot of points at this meeting...the TCs put forward proposals but the GC did not.
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Re: What happened at GreenTree?

Postby Kikapu » Sun Jan 29, 2012 10:38 pm

Viewpoint wrote:So it looks like the Gcs lost a lot of points at this meeting...the TCs put forward proposals but the GC did not.


Did they comply with the EU Principles by any chance? :lol:

Such as what proposals did the TCs put forward ?

PS. I'll get to your other post later!
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Re: What happened at GreenTree?

Postby zan » Sun Jan 29, 2012 10:48 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:So it looks like the Gcs lost a lot of points at this meeting...the TCs put forward proposals but the GC did not.


Did they comply with the EU Principles by any chance? :lol:

Such as what proposals did the TCs put forward ?

PS. I'll get to your other post later!




Im sure it will be interesting and true..............Yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwn
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Re: What happened at GreenTree?

Postby Viewpoint » Sun Jan 29, 2012 11:06 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:So it looks like the Gcs lost a lot of points at this meeting...the TCs put forward proposals but the GC did not.


Did they comply with the EU Principles by any chance? :lol:

Such as what proposals did the TCs put forward ?

PS. I'll get to your other post later!


Dont know they never gave me the documents :roll:
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Re: What happened at GreenTree?

Postby Kikapu » Sun Jan 29, 2012 11:14 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:So it looks like the Gcs lost a lot of points at this meeting...the TCs put forward proposals but the GC did not.


Did they comply with the EU Principles by any chance? :lol:

Such as what proposals did the TCs put forward ?

PS. I'll get to your other post later!


Dont know they never gave me the documents :roll:


Yes, but you said;

So it looks like the Gcs lost a lot of points at this meeting...the TCs put forward proposals but the GC did not.


How can you make such a gross statement when you know diddly squat by your own admission as to what happened there !:roll: :roll: :roll:
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Re: What happened at GreenTree?

Postby zan » Sun Jan 29, 2012 11:21 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:So it looks like the Gcs lost a lot of points at this meeting...the TCs put forward proposals but the GC did not.


Did they comply with the EU Principles by any chance? :lol:

Such as what proposals did the TCs put forward ?

PS. I'll get to your other post later!


Dont know they never gave me the documents :roll:


Yes, but you said;

So it looks like the Gcs lost a lot of points at this meeting...the TCs put forward proposals but the GC did not.


How can you make such a gross statement when you know diddly squat by your own admission as to what happened there !:roll: :roll: :roll:


Thats cute coming from a guy who makes the wildest statements on the TRNC, from how bad we are to how many we are :lol:
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Re: What happened at GreenTree?

Postby halil » Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:08 am

Viewpoint wrote:Does anyone know?


What really happened at Greentree

What happened at Greentree was that President Christofias managed to buy some time, says Makarios Droushiotis writing in Politis. The big decisions on the Cyprus problem have simply been postponed till the end of February when Alexander Downer will decide whether to call a multilateral conference.



Most observers in New York believe that the UN S-G will probably go ahead and call a multilateral conference leaving it up to each side to decide whether or not to attend. In fact the UN S-G was ready to do so at Greentree but agreed to allow for some more time in order to help Christofias.



As far as the UN is concerned, the prerequisites for calling a multilateral conference are already in place. The UN S-G himself said that only three issues remain to be settled – the election of the executive, the property issue and citizenship (the settlers). If it is true that just these three issues remain, then the UN is right, the Cyprus problem can be solved in a few hours. The fact that only these issues are being discussed before a final conference means that there are no other serious differences, and even these can be bridged.



The way a future President is elected is not a disagreement that can justifiably scupper the whole deal. The property issue has already been solved by the UN technocrats but is being kept open until the issue of territory is clarified, while the issue of the settlers is within the framework of maintaining the population ratios.



Thus the talks are within a hair’s breadth of reaching an agreement. Politically, however, an agreement is completely unrealistic. President Christofias has never admitted that there has been serious progress in the talks, nor has he ever done what the UN S-G had encouraged him to do, namely prepared the people for a solution, or even sought political alliances to help him work a solution. Instead, he is cultivating, even now, a climate of failure, or deadlock and mistrust of the other side, to such an extent that the people no longer trust him or his interlocutor. On the contrary, society is petrified of all the dangers that lie ahead.



Christofias went to Greentree with the National Council’s decision to say three ‘no’s’. Even though he had entered the endgame of the talks, he was still talking about not having asphyxiating deadlines and arbitration.



As expected, the Turkish side, aware of Christofias’ public reluctance to go to the next stage, came with specific proposals on all three open issues.They proposed that the system of cross-voting for the Senate (which elects the President) should come into force after 9 years (the UN believes they would be willing to come down to five, ie after its second term). On the property issue they submitted a package which conforms with the study of the UN experts. On citizenship they presented the recent population census which the UN accepted as valid.



Christofias discussed the question of the election of the President, extensively and some progress was achieved. He announced he was unprepared to discuss the property issue and used as an excuse the Turkish side’s delay in submitting data. On being pressured by the S-G to reply, he said he wanted time to think and study the data in Cyprus. He also said he did not want the talks to end in failure. Ban Ki-moon’s intention was to either call a multilateral conference or declare a failure. In the end a compromise was found giving Christofias the extra time and Eroglu the indirect date for a conference.



The S-G’s reference to the UN Security Council resolutions is just a sweetening of the pill in order to allow Christofias to handle the situation in Cyprus. According to the paper’s sources in New York, the UN S-G will call a confence without the prior approval of the Security Council. The UN Secretariat has received legal advice confirming that the UN S-G does not require approval for the initiatives he takes. Of course, holding such a conference does presuppose the approval of the two sides in the sense that he cannot order them to attend, but can only invite them and they can refuse if they choose.



Christofias, however, has said that he believes that the talks will continue even during the time of the EU presidency, which shows his lack of political judgement and how disconnected he is with reality.

In an opinion piece, Makarios Droushiotis says that the Cyprus problem is on a knife’s edge. The whole of the international community wants a soution before Cyprus takes on the EU presidency. The collective hullaballou might serve the internal political game as it has been played since the 30s, but all this shouting and negativity has resulted in us step by step losing half of Cyprus and now preparing to legalise partition under the worst possible terms.



A solution in the immediate future is unfeasible because there is no leader willing to bear the responsibility or accept the challenges and the risks and lead society into a new era. Eight years ago Christofias told us he just wanted two or three changes to the Annan plan, now he is talking of no timeframes and has become the laughing stock of diplomatic circles.



Christofias is not up to this task and is hiding behind the mantra of no asphyxiating timeframes. But events have passed us by. The European Union, irrespective of Turkey’s EU course, is fed up of the Cyprus problem. The German representative at the Security Council during Downer’s briefing, linked the talks with the EU presidency. But his statement was suppressed, while all the political parties attacked Downer, the British and the Americans, because that’s what they have been trained to do for decades now.



Christofias’ claim that he can control the procedure through the Security Council is yet another sign of his ignorance of international politics.



Turkey without trying too hard has managed to persuade everyone that it is in a hurry for a solution, while the Director General of our Foreign Ministry was rushing over to the State Department to explain why we didn’t want a multilateral conference and deadlines. The scene is set for them to put the blame squarely on us.



Only the West can save us, and Downer, who is going to write the report on the failure of the UN initiative and decide on our future. It would be wise to try to prove Davutoglu’s predictions wrong regarding the recognition or semi recognition of the north. Yet our politicians are trying tooth and nail to prove him right. The tragedy is that we mistake this cannibalism for the national struggle.


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