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[Hermes]

Why isnt the world helping you humanist if you are so much in the right? time to wake up and understand that it isnt Greek coffee its Turkish Coffee.

Not one country has agreed to recognise the illegal entity in the north. Not one. That is how much they believe in the validity of the "trnc". It's time you thought about that, VP. Because there is no likelihood of recognition. And no chance of Turkish EU accession as long as there is no solution. So where does that leave you and Turkey's EU ambitions, VP? Up shit-creek, going nowhere. Isn't that the message of Greentree? Or did you see something positive come out of the meeting?

[Viewpoint]

Look herpees...

Not one country has agreed to recognise the illegal entity in the north. Not one. That is how much they believe in the validity of the "trnc". It's time you thought about that, VP. Because there is no likelihood of recognition.

True but time stands still for no one.....what you have to think about is that the prize was 37% of the island recognition is just the icing which maybe not in my lifetime but certainly sometime if the future will come about because you people are just to stupid to find a solution.

And no chance of Turkish EU accession as long as there is no solution. So where does that leave you and Turkey's EU ambitions, VP? Up shit-creek, going nowhere.

Thank god...Turkey is not and will never be a EU nation..I have said this all along. The real question is if Turkey EU dreams have come to a stop then where does that leave the GCs leverage paddle????? up the same creek with no boat

Isn't that the message of Greentree? Or did you see something positive come out of the meeting?

Any independent links???

[Hermes]

Thank god...Turkey is not and will never be a EU nation..I have said this all along. The real question is if Turkey EU dreams have come to a stop then where does that leave the GCs leverage paddle????? up the same creek with no boat

Come now, VP. Do you think that if there was no Cypriot block on its EU accession, Turkey wouldn't have opened more chapters by now and be knocking at the EU's door demanding to come in? Do you really think the EU could keep on and say no? Turkey can walk away from the EU any time. It hasn't chosen to do so because it can't let go of the EU process without serious consequences. That is why Cyprus is still a lever on Turkey. It must be very frustrating but true. And not very reassuring to TCs like you because you are subject to the whims of Turkey who can cut you loose at any time. For how long are 80,000 ungrateful TCs going to be allowed to hold back 70m Turks? Think about it...

[Viewpoint]

Thank god...Turkey is not and will never be a EU nation..I have said this all along. The real question is if Turkey EU dreams have come to a stop then where does that leave the GCs leverage paddle????? up the same creek with no boat

Come now, VP. Do you think that if there was no Cypriot block on its EU accession, Turkey wouldn't have opened more chapters by now and be knocking at the EU's door demanding to come in? Do you really think the EU could keep on and say no? Turkey can walk away from the EU any time. It hasn't chosen to do so because it can't let go of the EU process without serious consequences. That is why Cyprus is still a lever on Turkey. It must be very frustrating but true. And not very reassuring to TCs like you because you are subject to the whims of Turkey who can cut you loose at any time. For how long are 80,000 ungrateful TCs going to be allowed to hold back 70m Turks? Think about it...

Come on you are kidding yourselves Turkey will never get in the EU as a full member and she knows it...so why not play along with the idea that she has been hard done by by the EU to keep the flame alive without any of the obligations...have you seen Turkey rushing to reform into EU moulds? no? The thing that made me laugh was Turkey claiming that she will not talk to the GCs when they are head of the EU...aside form not recognizing the GC south just exactly which talks was she referring to??? all the chapters are frozen and there will be no progress so what the hell are they gonna talk about. Your leverage has disappeared or is ineffective as you have seen not one port has been opened to you, nor will be unless she obtains concessions for the TCs.

[Lordo]

You can always tell how things are by the reaction of the fanatics and their escapologists on this site. If RoC is doing so well in these talks, how is it that everybody is asking for Christofias's removal from the talks.

The end game is being played as we speak. It's over. TCs are no longer interested in a a united Cyprus.

Can you give us a time when they were interested, to be in a really United Cyprus?

Surely, Annan Plan wasn't one of those times in 2004 or at any other time since then, specially not when the EU Principles are rejected to be part of the "United Cyprus"!

How about 1973 when Dengtash and Clerides came to an agreement on all 13 point changes to the constitution only to be vetoed by Big Mak himslef and Greece on account that it did not include Enosis. Accepted by Dengtas and Turkey. How much more unification do you need?

[Lordo]

Why isnt the world helping you humanist if you are so much in the right? time to wake up and understand that it isnt Greek coffee its Turkish Coffee.

The real question is how does he take it? I dread to think.

[Kikapu]

You can always tell how things are by the reaction of the fanatics and their escapologists on this site. If RoC is doing so well in these talks, how is it that everybody is asking for Christofias's removal from the talks.

The end game is being played as we speak. It's over. TCs are no longer interested in a a united Cyprus.

Can you give us a time when they were interested, to be in a really United Cyprus?

Surely, Annan Plan wasn't one of those times in 2004 or at any other time since then, specially not when the EU Principles are rejected to be part of the "United Cyprus"!

How about 1973 when Dengtash and Clerides came to an agreement on all 13 point changes to the constitution only to be vetoed by Big Mak himslef and Greece on account that it did not include Enosis. Accepted by Dengtas and Turkey. How much more unification do you need?

Can we have ALL the details for the above please and not just soundbites, because the Annan Plan was also meant to be a "Peace Plan" also !

[Hermes]

Come on you are kidding yourselves Turkey will never get in the EU as a full member and she knows it...so why not play along with the idea that she has been hard done by by the EU to keep the flame alive without any of the obligations...

It's very difficult for Turkey to join now. Its shenanigans over Cyprus have lost it a lot of friends and influence within the EU. Very dumb move. It could've been a key player in the EU if it played its cards right. Instead it fucked up and lost its chance to become a serious player on the world stage. Erdogan will go down as the man who blew Turkey's biggest chance. Turkey doesn't even get to keep northern Cyprus as compensation. It still has to base 40000 troops on the island, has no prospect of recognition and has to keep pumping millions to keep the north's failed and embargoed economy afloat. Meanwhile the free ROC gov't has recognition, EU status, potential gas riches and a new alliance with Israel. Pretty inept Turkish foreign policy all round, I'd say.

[boulio]

The talks were from 1968-71 greece didnt veto the agreements at all the junta actually agreed however makarios did not because the tc wanted a high level of aotonomy for the enclaves basically what you have today butmultiple areas around the island not because of enosis by then the roc wasent interested in enosis

[boulio]

Here is a link lordo i suggest you do some reading


http://www.cyprus-conflict.net/Clerides ... %2771.html