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Re: Cyprus: Home of Human Rights!

Postby Viewpoint » Sat Jan 28, 2012 10:40 pm

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Viewpoint wrote:Havent you people worked it out yet no one trusts you with the TCs rights and implementation of democracy in a unitary state...remember back to 1960 and why the agreements were structured the way they were, you messed up then and continue to do so today. You are not trusted to with the future of the TCs as you have proven and continue to prove unworthy, thats why plans like the AP are vital to keep you under control and that you are forced to do the right things to secure the rights of the TCs which otherwise you would shit all over.


You are talking nonsense again, VP. You need to come to terms with the fact that the ROC is now one of the most committed and dedicated countries in Europe when it comes to implementing the EU body of human rights laws. You can't argue with the facts that since Cyprus joined the EU it has taken its responsibilities on human rights very seriously. As a result it has amongst the lowest rates of referral to the ECHR. Deal with the facts today. Not the facts as you perceive them from fifty years ago.

Those who can't move on from the past are fated to die and fossilise. Exactly what is happening to the TCs in the north right now. You are a living fossil, VP, if ever there was one.


Fossil or not the point you miss that you do not currently have TCs in the mix, previous examples of GCs dealing with Tcs rights is like mixing oil with water it just will not happen unless there a spoon (comprehensive solution) to keep stirring it.

You people do not judge if our future is to be handed to you on a plate we do do you know why? because its ours, time you realized that fact.
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Re: Cyprus: Home of Human Rights!

Postby Hermes » Sat Jan 28, 2012 10:51 pm

Viewpoint wrote:Fossil or not the point you miss that you do not currently have TCs in the mix, previous examples of GCs dealing with Tcs rights is like mixing oil with water it just will not happen unless there a spoon (comprehensive solution) to keep stirring it.

You people do not judge if our future is to be handed to you on a plate we do do you know why? because its ours, time you realized that fact.


I'm sorry I didn't understand a word of that. Are you saying that the reason the ROC is a successful democratic state is because there are no TCs to fuck things up at the moment? I might agree with you on that. But that's no reason for us to think that TCs can't adapt to EU law and learn to be good EU citizens. After all, it's one of the goals of the EU to bring the Turks and the TCs in line with civilised values.
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Re: Cyprus: Home of Human Rights!

Postby Viewpoint » Sat Jan 28, 2012 10:59 pm

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Viewpoint wrote:Fossil or not the point you miss that you do not currently have TCs in the mix, previous examples of GCs dealing with Tcs rights is like mixing oil with water it just will not happen unless there a spoon (comprehensive solution) to keep stirring it.

You people do not judge if our future is to be handed to you on a plate we do do you know why? because its ours, time you realized that fact.


I'm sorry I didn't understand a word of that. Are you saying that the reason the ROC is a successful democratic state is because there are no TCs to fuck things up at the moment? I might agree with you on that. But that's no reason for us to think that TCs can't adapt to EU law and learn to be good EU citizens. After all, it's one of the goals of the EU to bring the Turks and the TCs in line with civilised values.


You can take it which ever way you wish the end product is the same, the only experience of GCs dealing with TCs rights in a democracy has been abysmal so returning to the same explosive situation would not be advised unless and only if the there are strict and strong structures which will protect our rights and force the GC to behave should they decide to get up to anymore shenanigans, I think you might have missed it, but the UN call it a comprehensive solution.
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Re: Cyprus: Home of Human Rights!

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sat Jan 28, 2012 11:17 pm

Viewpoint wrote:... the only experience of GCs dealing with TCs rights in a democracy has been abysmal


We never had a democracy when the TCs abused their Brit-gifted unfair power over us. However, 60% of Cyprus is a democracy now and it's doing very well on Human Rights without the belligerent, overpowering murderous TCs - so why should we give you further unfair power, ever again, when the EU is underway in helping us retake the 40% back off Turkey?
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Re: Cyprus: Home of Human Rights!

Postby Hermes » Sat Jan 28, 2012 11:18 pm

Viewpoint wrote:the only experience of GCs dealing with TCs rights in a democracy has been abysmal ...

What democracy? I must've missed it.
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Re: Cyprus: Home of Human Rights!

Postby Viewpoint » Sat Jan 28, 2012 11:55 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:... the only experience of GCs dealing with TCs rights in a democracy has been abysmal


We never had a democracy when the TCs abused their Brit-gifted unfair power over us. However, 60% of Cyprus is a democracy now and it's doing very well on Human Rights without the belligerent, overpowering murderous TCs - so why should we give you further unfair power, ever again, when the EU is underway in helping us retake the 40% back off Turkey?


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Re: Cyprus: Home of Human Rights!

Postby Viewpoint » Sat Jan 28, 2012 11:56 pm

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Viewpoint wrote:the only experience of GCs dealing with TCs rights in a democracy has been abysmal ...

What democracy? I must've missed it.


1960 to 1974 you messed up big time, you denied us our basic rights under the constitution which bore your signature.
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Re: Cyprus: Home of Human Rights!

Postby humanist » Sun Jan 29, 2012 12:06 am

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1960 to 1974 you messed up big time, you denied us our basic rights under the constitution which bore your signature.


Can you please provide three examples of which basic human rights you feel were denied for you in the the decade you indicate above? Thank you

Also at least The RoC has shown the capacity to grow, change and develop into a respectful EU State that is going to hold the Presidency over the EU. What have you achieved in the last 35 years? Other than being reduced into a minority in your own Country by foreigners that care less abotu a TC community. lol
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Re: Cyprus: Home of Human Rights!

Postby Hermes » Sun Jan 29, 2012 12:09 am

I think I might add humanist to my "Friends" list. His posts have been very good lately and it's a pleasure to read them. Congratulations, humanist. :D
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Re: Cyprus: Home of Human Rights!

Postby Viewpoint » Sun Jan 29, 2012 12:18 am

humanist wrote:VP
1960 to 1974 you messed up big time, you denied us our basic rights under the constitution which bore your signature.


Can you please provide three examples of which basic human rights you feel were denied for you in the the decade you indicate above? Thank you

Also at least The RoC has shown the capacity to grow, change and develop into a respectful EU State that is going to hold the Presidency over the EU. What have you achieved in the last 35 years? Other than being reduced into a minority in your own Country by foreigners that care less abotu a TC community. lol


Forced out of government
Refusal of adhering to High Court judgement in favor of TCs.
Discrimination.
House burnt to the ground.
Disappearances.

We have achieved what you wanted enosis but with Turkey not Greece.
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