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[boomerang]

Hermes, its a bit more complicated than what you think. There are many outstanding issues that need to be reconciled before any progress can be made. The TC's feel their human rights have been violated since 1963, their position in government was stolen from them and most importantly while the TC's can't forget 63 the GC's cant remember it. Huge hurdles to jump yet Hermes and I wish both communities the best for the future.

On the basis of Cyprus's current human rights record it is one of the most democratic and just societies in Europe. In fact, on the basis of the ECHR report one can safely say that Cyprus has one of the best records of human rights today anywhere in the world. Proof that Cyprus today treats all of its citizens on the basis of equality and respect. I think that is something that all Cypriots should celebrate. I hope you are not suggesting that TCs are incapable of living in such a society today. That would be a very sad state of affairs indeed and would leave the TCs exposed and isolated from the mainstream of Europe.

I congratulate ROC for achieving this but such a report doesn't magically erase its past atrocities. Of course this will help it in the future for a better, safer Cyprus and I look forward to that day. I'm not at all suggesting we are incapable of living in a civilised society, please don't forget one important fact here, whatever you're capable of so are we, are you not aware that our DNA make up is almost no different to yours? We are almost exactly the same people except for the language we speak.

this report while it doesn't magically erase past attrocities is a sign of a mature community ready to face challenges ahead...i am certain tcs will dispute certain aspects but let tcs be honest enough and reproduce the same and then we can compare...

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus36870.html

in our report greece committed an invasion and if go by the nationalits greece then committed treason...

are the tcs honest enough, or the tc authority or even a movement capable in producing as such and critize turkey because this deal was done between turkey and greece...double enosis...

[MR-from-NG]

Hermes, its a bit more complicated than what you think. There are many outstanding issues that need to be reconciled before any progress can be made. The TC's feel their human rights have been violated since 1963, their position in government was stolen from them and most importantly while the TC's can't forget 63 the GC's cant remember it. Huge hurdles to jump yet Hermes and I wish both communities the best for the future.

On the basis of Cyprus's current human rights record it is one of the most democratic and just societies in Europe. In fact, on the basis of the ECHR report one can safely say that Cyprus has one of the best records of human rights today anywhere in the world. Proof that Cyprus today treats all of its citizens on the basis of equality and respect. I think that is something that all Cypriots should celebrate. I hope you are not suggesting that TCs are incapable of living in such a society today. That would be a very sad state of affairs indeed and would leave the TCs exposed and isolated from the mainstream of Europe.

I congratulate ROC for achieving this but such a report doesn't magically erase its past atrocities. Of course this will help it in the future for a better, safer Cyprus and I look forward to that day. I'm not at all suggesting we are incapable of living in a civilised society, please don't forget one important fact here, whatever you're capable of so are we, are you not aware that our DNA make up is almost no different to yours? We are almost exactly the same people except for the language we speak.

this report while it doesn't magically erase past attrocities is a sign of a mature community ready to face challenges ahead...i am certain tcs will dispute certain aspects but let tcs be honest enough and reproduce the same and then we can compare...

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus36870.html

in our report greece committed an invasion and if go by the nationalits greece then committed treason...

are the tcs honest enough, or the tc authority or even a movement capable in producing as such and critize turkey because this deal was done between turkey and greece...double enosis...

boomerang, I think we all know that TC's have very little if not nothing to contribute towards a resolution. We are at the mercy of Turkey and the ROC. The way Turkey is handling its internal and international affairs at the moment I have very little faith in their ability to resolve the Cyprus issue to our or your satisfaction.

Recent events such as Israel, France and the discovery of oil in Cyprus and the way Turkey behaved should give us all a clue that these guys are clearly incapable of doing anything right. I could be arrested for even criticising on a forum like this, imagine what would happen if anybody of any significance was to do this in the TRNC. R T Erdogan is an egoistic sick prick, until he is removed from Turkish politics we are fu***d.

[Kikapu]

:shock: So nobody is shocked that Turkey ranks the worst HR abuser even though Erdogan was the recipient of the Gaddafi Human Rights award???

Also, why no positive comments from the TCs on this forum to the ROC's outstanding human rights record? Some congratulations are surely in order...

Here's a positive comment from a TC. Well done ROC, why shouldn't we have such an excellent record? This island has the potential to be paradise on earth. The question of course is can this ever become a reality. My opinion? As long as there are Piratis', Oracle's, Sotos, B25 et, etc the job becomes very difficult.

I think you're missing the point. The ROC is able to have such a positive human rights record because it treats all its citizens on the basis of equality and respect. This is enshrined in law. There is no reason to assume that TCs would be treated any differently. In fact, it's a legal requirement as part of EU membership.

The problem is why this isn't good enough for TCs that they should be asking for discriminatory laws - outside the EU acquis - to be enforced against Greek Cypriots and to become primary EU law as part of a solution? In other words, why are TCs seeking permanent derogations from EU human rights laws in Cyprus? And why should GCs accept these violations of their human rights?

Hermes, its a bit more complicated than what you think. There are many outstanding issues that need to be reconciled before any progress can be made. The TC's feel their human rights have been violated since 1963, their position in government was stolen from them and most importantly while the TC's can't forget 63 the GC's cant remember it. Huge hurdles to jump yet Hermes and I wish both communities the best for the future.

I hate to be the one to tell you MR-from-NG, but the 1959 Zurich agreements did not provide for Democracy, Human Rights or International Law, by default, hence the reason for all the shit that happened. Basically what I'm saying is, Cypriots did not have a policy to guarantees any one's Democratic or Human Rights. It was free for all, and that's what happened. Lets not make the same mistake again by not demanding these basic rights for ALL Cypriots, specially now that Cyprus is in the EU. But guess what, the TC leaders do not want these basic rights in Cyprus as a condition, which leads me to believe, that they would want the bad past events to re-visit Cyprus. If Cyprus were to be re-United with EU Principles, it is the best insurance the TCs would have of their security and their future, as well as any other minority in Cyprus. With these basic rights, Turkey will no longer needs to be in the north, because she would not be needed. Do you now understand why Turkey does not want these basic rights to be in the United Cyprus settlement.? Well, it's because it means they will not have any excuse to remain in Cyprus. I think you are getting the bigger picture now!

[Viewpoint]

So you support the GCs are given a free hand to shit all over the TCs?

[Kikapu]

So you support the GCs are given a free hand to shit all over the TCs?

MR-from-NG, see what I mean. That is a voice of a Turkey supporter, for wanting Turkey to remain in Cyprus !

I rest my case!

[Viewpoint]

So you support the GCs are given a free hand to shit all over the TCs?

MR-from-NG, see what I mean. That is a voice of a Turkey supporter, for wanting Turkey to remain in Cyprus !

I rest my case!

I do not support they remain obviously you have not learned anything of the TC opinions as you have shown and confirmed time and time again that you are 100% on the side of the GCs.

[Hermes]

So you support the GCs are given a free hand to shit all over the TCs?

Knowing kikapu, I think he supports human rights for all Cypriots as guaranteed under EU law. As you can see, the ROC today has one of the world's best records on implementing the EU acquis and of treating all of its citizens with respect and equality. A sure sign of a mature democracy. The question is why Turkey insists on a solution in Cyprus that would be outside EU law and therefore drag all Cypriots down to Turkey's abysmal level? Why should GCs accept going backwards when we have made such strides as a nation?

[bill cobbett]

Two or three things come to mind that have to be said in any thread on CY Human Rights. It would be amiss not to at least list them.

Firstly of course there are the massive, massive human rights violations that effect all displaced people and all victims of the past. Many of the cases against Turkey, as the Occupying Power in the Occupied Areas will have come off the books of the ECHR after having being referred (leastways the property cases) to a "local remedy". A reminder also that perhaps the most important human right listed, if these rights can be ranked, at the ECHR is the Right to Life.

Secondly, there is the matter of unequal treatment for CYs of the Occupied Areas trying to re-claim their properties and would remind all that the 6-month residency rule is still in force and a year or two ago the Republic made over a very tidy sum to the Sofi family to settle their case out of court.

Thirdly there is the matter of Non-Issuance of Kochans to people who have made over good money and bought properties and have to wait years and years for the government/banks/developers conspiracy to make over deeds to meet the right to good administration.

Bottom line is boys and girls, there is no sitting back and expecting any gov to willingly respect our human rights, we will always have to keep on struggling to maintain them and develop them.

[Viewpoint]

So you support the GCs are given a free hand to shit all over the TCs?

Knowing kikapu, I think he supports human rights for all Cypriots as guaranteed under EU law. As you can see, the ROC today has one of the world's best records on implementing the EU acquis and of treating all of its citizens with respect and equality. A sure sign of a mature democracy. The question is why Turkey insists on a solution in Cyprus that would be outside EU law and therefore drag all Cypriots down to Turkey's abysmal level? Why should GCs accept going backwards when we have made such strides as a nation?

Havent you people worked it out yet no one trusts you with the TCs rights and implementation of democracy in a unitary state...remember back to 1960 and why the agreements were structured the way they were, you messed up then and continue to do so today. You are not trusted to with the future of the TCs as you have proven and continue to prove unworthy, thats why plans like the AP are vital to keep you under control and that you are forced to do the right things to secure the rights of the TCs which otherwise you would shit all over.

[Hermes]

Havent you people worked it out yet no one trusts you with the TCs rights and implementation of democracy in a unitary state...remember back to 1960 and why the agreements were structured the way they were, you messed up then and continue to do so today. You are not trusted to with the future of the TCs as you have proven and continue to prove unworthy, thats why plans like the AP are vital to keep you under control and that you are forced to do the right things to secure the rights of the TCs which otherwise you would shit all over.

You are talking nonsense again, VP. You need to come to terms with the fact that the ROC is now one of the most committed and dedicated countries in Europe when it comes to implementing the EU body of human rights laws. You can't argue with the facts that since Cyprus joined the EU it has taken its responsibilities on human rights very seriously. As a result it has amongst the lowest rates of referral to the ECHR. Deal with the facts today. Not the facts as you perceive them from fifty years ago.

Those who can't move on from the past are fated to die and fossilise. Exactly what is happening to the TCs in the north right now. You are a living fossil, VP, if ever there was one.