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[boomerang]

piratis you are an expert in answering without actually saying anything...give me your dealers number coz the shit you are smoking is of high caliber...see i can do the same..

repent and ask for forgiveness from greece coz they burned us...the double enosis wasn't invented on a moments notice...planning took a while...they tried a number of times to assasinate without success and then they thought to get in with boots...

so when you say you stand for human rights, democrasy and the rule of law, unfortunately for you, you don't sound sincere coz you do not blame greece in all this, but you blame everyone else under the sun...you see the problem?...and furter more why doesn't greece release the cyprus file to the public?...it's because the myths will be dispel causing severe suisides in cyprus by the likes of you...

come on man can you think of any reason as to why to this very date greece does not release the cyprus files?...give it a stab piratis...be a man and face the truth...

here it is for you short and sweet...greece wanted expansionism in the 60's hence the double enosis deal with turkey...

but you are too stupid to see this as you are a happy little greek...

[boomerang]

jeez i thought you were smarter than that...boy was i wrong?...

maybe you can answer me as to why greece won't release the cyprus file to the public...can you think of any reason GG as to why?...

come on have another go and prove me wrong...you think you are up to it?...

[Paphitis]

That's only because you are not part of the majority population.

(You've just proved my point as to WHY you are not representative of the RoC-EU )

The Cypriots are the majority for we are all encompassing, and non divisive.

Only Cypriots care for the future of the island, unlike you who would sell us out just to call yourself a "Greek"!


cyprus36841.html

[kimon07]

Talking about the democratically elected government of Makarios.
Can anyone remember how many presidential elections we had in Cyprus from since Cyprus became independent till 1974??

NONE

Thank you boys, now go back to your bottles.

[Paphitis]

Talking about the democratically elected government of Makarios.
Can anyone remember how many presidential elections we had in Cyprus from since Cyprus became independent till 1974??

NONE

Thank you boys, now go back to your bottles.

What's the matter kimon?

Has your cage been rattled so much, and now you have now turned on Cyprus by making perposterous slanderous remarks against the RoC and Makarios? This treachery is nothing new. We have come to expect such treason from Greeks whenever we pull apart your mythology and fantasies in an effort to try and get you ottomans to see reason!

This proves where your allegiances lie!

[kimon07]

handed 1/3 of cyprus to turkey?...here you go piratis trying answering these questions...

All your questions are answered by the book The Bloody Truth about Cyprus which you will find in another post of mine.

But here are my brief answers as well to each one of your questions.


1...from 64 to 74 cyprus was run exclusively by gcs. Wrong:

The situation since 1964 when the TCs enclaved themselves, was pretty much the same as today.

2...enosis was sort of achieved but not concreted.True.

still not good enough we wanted to be a province? Turkish Lie:

If we wanted that, Enosis would had been declared and imposed in 1967 and the Greek Division would have not been pulled out from Cyprus. With that force on the island the Turkish invasion would had been impossible.

3...tcs were in enclaves - some with the choice some with TMT force.

Half true: The vast majority was forced into the enclaves by the TMT.

4...the 13 points became the norm - no tcs in government: Turkish Lie.

The 13 points were supposed to correct the undemocratic provisions of the constitution which gave to the Turkish minority the right and the tools to be blocking continuously the operation of the state internally and externally.

5...inonu told the tcs to return to government - no hint of invasion.

Not yet you mean. Turkey was not properly prepared yet.

6...turkey might had plans to invade but needed an excuse.

And military preparations and political support. Two factors which it did not have just yet.

7...why did greece hand 1/3 of cyprus to turkey?..It did not. Makarios did.

Read below his invitation to Turkey made during his speech at the Security Council of the UN. He accused Greece of having invaded the island. And he warned the international community that the TC community was in danger. These two admissions justified and legalised the invasion to the whole world.

http://www.cypnet.co.uk/ncyprus/history ... tml#speech


The Speech by Makarios Delivered before
the UN Security Council on 19 July 1974

President Makarios: I would like at the outset to express my warmest thanks to the members of the Security Council for the keen interest they have shown in the critical situation created in Cyprus after the coup, which was organised by the military regime of Greece and was put into effect by the Greek officers serving in and commanding the Cyprus National Guard. I am particularly grateful that the Security Council has agreed to postpone its meeting until my arrival here to give me the opportunity of addressing it on the recent dramatic events in Cyprus.

What has been happening in Cyprus since last Monday morning is a real tragedy. The military regime of Greece has callously violated the independence of Cyprus. Without trace of respect for the democratic rights of the Cypriot people, without trace of respect for the independence and sovereignty of the Republic of Cyprus, the Greek junta has extended its dictatorship to Cyprus. It is indeed a fact that for some time now their intention was becoming obvious. The people of Cyprus had for a long time feeling that a coup by the Greek junta was brewing, and this feeling became more intense during the recent weeks when the terrorist organisation 'EOKA B', directed from Athens, had renewed its wave of violence.

I knew all along that the illegal organisation had its roots and supply resources in Athens. I became aware that the Greek officers staffing and commanding the National Guard were recruiting members for that organisation, and they supported it in various ways to the point of access to the munition supply stores of the National Guard. In the camps of the National Guard, the Greek officers were conducting open propaganda in favour of that illegal organisation and turned the National Guard from an organ of the state into an instrument of subversion. Whenever, from time to time, I complained to Athens about unbecoming conduct by Greek officers of the National Guard, the reply was that if I had concrete evidence in proof thereof those found guilty would be recalled. From the whole tenor of their attitude, I received the unmistakable impression that their standard response was a pretence of innocence. A few days ago documents came into the hands of the Cyprus police clearly proving that 'EOKA B' was an appendage of the Athens regime.
Funds were being remitted from Athens for the upkeep of this organisation and detailed directives regarding its actions were also given to it. I then found it necessary myself to address a letter to the President of the Greek regime, General Gizikis, asking him to give orders for the cessation of the violence and bloodshed by 'EOKA B' and for its dissolution. I also requested him to recall the Greek officers serving with the National Guard, adding that my intention was to reduce the numerical strength of this force and to turn it into an organ of the Cyprus State. I was waiting for a reply. My impression was that the Athens regime did not favour the reduction of the force, much less the withdrawal of the Greek officers.

The Greek Ambassador in Cyprus called on me, on instructions from his Government, in order to explain to me that the decrease in the numerical strength of the National Guard or the withdrawal of the Greek officers would weaken the defence of Cyprus in case of danger from Turkey. This was an argument which, even though it appeared logical, was not convincing because I knew that behind this argument other interests were hidden. I replied that as things developed I consider the danger from Turkey of a lesser degree than the danger from them. And it was proved that my fears were justified.

On Saturday, 13 July, a conference under the presidency of General Gizikis was held in Athens, which lasted for many hours. It was attended by the Greek Chief of Staff of the armed forces, the Ambassador of Greece to Cyprus, the commander of the National Guard with the purpose of discussing the content of my letter. As was stated in a relevant communiqué' issued at the end of this conference, it was to be reconvened on Monday, 15 July. The reference in the communiqué' to a second conference was deceiving. For a while on Monday I was waiting for a reply to my letter, the reply came, and it was the coup.

On that day, I returned from my summerhouse on the Troodos Mountains, where I had spent the weekend, and by 8 a.m. I was at my office at the Presidential Palace. Half an hour later I was welcoming in the reception room a group of boys and girls, members of the Greek Orthodox Youth from Cairo who came to Cyprus as my guests for a five days. Hardly had I greeted them when the first shots were heard. Within seconds the shots became more frequent and a member of the Presidential Guard informed me that armoured cars and tanks had passed the fence and were already in the yard of the Presidential Palace, which was shaking from mortar shells. The situation soon became critical I tried to call the Cyprus radio station for the purpose of issuing a special broadcast announcing that the Presidential Palace was under attack, but I realised that the lines were cut off. Heavy shelling was ever increasing. How my life was saved seemed like a providential miracle. When I eventually found myself in the area of Paphos, I addressed the people of Cyprus from a local radio station informing them that I am alive and that will struggle with them against the dictatorship, which the Greek regime is trying to impose.
I do not intend to occupy the time of the members of the Security Council with my personal adventure. I simply wish to add that during the second day of the armed attack the armoured cars and tanks were moving towards Paphos, while at the same time a small warship of the National Guard began shelling the Bishophric of Paphos where I was staying. Under the circumstances, I found it advisable to leave Cyprus rather than fall into the hands of the Greek junta.

I am grateful to the British Government, which made available a helicopter to pick me up from Paphos, transfer me to the British bases, and from there by plane to Malta and London. I am also grateful to the Special Representative of the Secretary-General and to the Commander of the Peace-Keeping Force in Cyprus for the interest, which they had shown for my safety. My presence in this room of the Security Council was made possible thanks to the help given to me by the British Government and the representatives of the Secretary-General, Dr. Waldheim, whose keen concern for me and for the critical situation which developed in Cyprus moves every fibre of my heart.
I do not know as yet all the details of the Cyprus crisis caused by the Greek military regime. I am afraid that the number of casualties is large and that the material destruction is heavy. What is, however, our primary concern at present is the ending of the tragedy.

When I reached London, I was informed of the content of the speech of the representative of the Greek junta to the United Nations. I was surprised at the way they are trying to deceive world public opinion. Without a blush, the Greek junta is making efforts to simplify the situation, claiming that it is not involved in the armed attack and that the developments of the last few days are an internal matter of the Greek Cypriots.

I do not believe that there are people who accept the allegations of the Greek military regime. The coup did not come about under such circumstances as to he considered an internal matter of the Greek Cypriots. It is clearly an invasion from outside, in flagrant violation of the independence and sovereignty of the Republic of Cyprus. The so-called coup was the work of the Greek officers staffing and commanding the National Guard. I must also underline the fact that the Greek contingent, composed of 950 officers and men stationed in Cyprus by virtue of the Treaty of Alliance, played a predominant role in this aggressive affair against Cyprus. The capture of the airport outside the capital was carried out by officers and men of the Greek contingent campaign near the airport.

It is enough to state on this point that certain photographs appearing in the world press show armoured vehicles and tanks belonging to the Greek contingent in Cyprus. On the other hand, the Greek officers serving with the National Guard were directing the operations. In these operations, they recruited many members of the terrorist organisation 'EOKA B', whom they armed with weapons of the National Guard.
If the Greek officers serving in the National Guard were not involved, how does one explain the fact that among the casualties in battle were Greek officers whose remains were transported to Greece and buried there? If Greek officers did not carry out the coup, how does one explain the fact of night flights of Greek aircraft transporting to Cyprus personnel in civilian clothes and taking back to Greece dead and wounded men? There is no doubt that the coup was organised by the Greek junta and was carried out by the Greek officers commanding the National Guard and by the officers and men of the Greek contingent stationed in Cyprus - and it was reported as such by the press around the globe.

The coup caused much bloodshed and took a great toll of human lives. It was faced with the determined resistance of the legal security forces and the resistance of the Greek people of Cyprus. I can say with certainty that the resistance and the reaction of the Greek Cypriot people against the conspirators will not end until there is a restoration of their freedom and democratic rights. The Cypriot people will never bow to dictatorship, even though for the moment the brutal force of the armoured cars and tanks may have prevailed.

After the coup, the agents of the Greek regime in Cyprus appointed a well-known gun-man, Nicos Samson as President, who in turn appointed as ministers known elements and supporters of the terrorist organisation 'EOKA B'.
It may be alleged that what took place in Cyprus is a revolution and that a Government was established based on revolutionary law. This is not the case. No revolution took place in Cyprus, which could be considered as an internal matter. It was an invasion, which violated the independence and the sovereignty of the Republic. And the invasion is continuing so long as there are Greek officers in Cyprus. The results of this invasion will be catalytic for Cyprus if there is no return to constitutional normality and if democratic freedoms are not restored.

For the purpose of misleading world public opinion, the military regime of Greece announced yesterday the gradual replacement of the Greek officers of the National Guard. But the issue is not their replacement; the issue is their withdrawal. The gesture of replacement has the meaning of admission that the Greek officers now serving in the National Guard were those who carried out the coup. Those officers, however, did not act on their own initiative but upon instructions from Athens, and their replacements will also follow instructions from the Athens regime. Thus the National Guard will always remain an instrument of the Greek military regime, and I am certain that the members of the Security Council understand this ploy.

It may be said that it was the Cyprus Government, which invited the Greek officers to staff the National Guard. I regret to say that it was a mistake on my part to bestow upon them so much trust and confidence. They abused that trust and confidence and, instead of helping in the defence of the Island's independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity, they themselves became the aggressors.
I am obliged to say that the policy of the military regime in Greece towards Cyprus, and particularly towards the Greek Cypriots, has been insincere. I wish to stress that it was a policy of duplicity.

For some time talks were going on between the Greek and Turkish Cypriots in search of a peaceful solution to the Cyprus problem, which on many occasions has occupied the time of the Security Council and the General Assembly of the United Nations. The representative of the Secretary General and two constitutional experts from Greece and Turkey have been attending the talks. The Security Council has repeatedly renewed, twice yearly, the mandate of the peace-keeping force in Cyprus, expressing every time hope for a speedy solution of the problem.
It cannot be said that up to now the progress of the talks has been satisfactory. But how could there be any progress in the talks while the policy on Cyprus of the regime in Athens has been double-faced? It was agreed by all the parties concerned that the talks were taking place on the basis of independence. The regime of Athens also agreed to that, and time and again the Greek Ministry of Foreign Affairs declared that the position of Greece on this issue was clear. If that were the case, why had the military regime of Greece created and supported the terrorist organisation 'EOKA B', whose purpose was stated to be the union of Cyprus with Greece and whose members called themselves 'unionists'?

Inside the camps of the National Guard, the Greek officers continually charged that while Enosis was feasible its realisation was undermined by me. When reminded that Greece had made its position clear on this and that it supported independence, their reply was that no attention should be given to the words of diplomats. Under such circumstances how was it possible for the talks to arrive at a positive result? The double-faced policy of the Greek regime was one of the main obstacles to the progress of the talks.
In the circumstances that have now been created in Cyprus, I cannot foresee the prospects of the talks. I would rather say that there are no prospects at all. An agreement that may be reached by the talks would be devoid of any value because there is no elected leadership to deal with the matter. The coup d'etat of the military regime of Greece constitutes an arrest of the progress of the talks towards a solution.
Moreover, it will be a continuous source of anomaly in Cyprus, the repercussions of which will be very grave and far reaching, if this situation is permitted to continue even for a short time.

I appeal to the members of the Security Council to do their utmost to put an end to this anomalous situation, which was created by the coup of Athens. I call upon the Security Council to use all ways and means at its disposal so that the constitutional order in Cyprus and the democratic rights of the people of Cyprus can be reinstated without delay.
As I have already stated, the events in Cyprus do not constitute an internal matter of the Greeks of Cyprus. The Turks of Cyprus are also affected. The coup of the Greek junta is an invasion, and from its consequences the whole people of Cyprus suffers, both Greeks and Turks. The United Nations has a peace-keeping force stationed in Cyprus. It is not possible for the role of that peace-keeping force to be effective under conditions of a military coup. The Security Council should call upon the military regime of Greece to withdraw from Cyprus the Greek officers serving in the National Guard, and to put an end to its invasion of Cyprus.

I think that, with what I have placed before you, I have given a picture of the situation. I have no doubt that an appropriate decision of the Security Council will put an end to the invasion and restore the violated independence of Cyprus and the democratic rights of the Cypriot people

[boomerang]

handed 1/3 of cyprus to turkey?...here you go piratis trying answering these questions...

All your questions are answered by the book The Bloody Truth about Cyprus which you will find in another post of mine.

But here are my brief answers as well to each one of your questions.


1...from 64 to 74 cyprus was run exclusively by gcs. Wrong:

The situation since 1964 when the TCs enclaved themselves, was pretty much the same as today.

with the exemption the roc was running the country and no 250,000 misplaced people...today you are aiming for BBF with your tiny greece donated BB gun...major difference...

2...enosis was sort of achieved but not concreted.True.

so if true and enosis was partially achieved and no tcs in government that was not good enough for you?...you rather risk all that to today's situation?...again a BBF with a greece donated tiny BB gun

still not good enough we wanted to be a province? Turkish Lie:
Turkish lie?...are you F-blind?...just above you said enosi was partially achieved and you wanted more, what you think cyprus would have been the capital of greece?...no an F-province just tlike the rest...so you go from a country to F-community run by the morons in greece...

If we wanted that, Enosis would had been declared and imposed in 1967 and the Greek Division would have not been pulled out from Cyprus. With that force on the island the Turkish invasion would had been impossible.
really?...i think you have looking at meaty balls rather than crystal balls?...by 67 the cypriot people no longer wanted enosis, something you morons, the minority never and to this very day understood...anyway what stopped you then?...love to hear your thoughts on this...

3...tcs were in enclaves - some with the choice some with TMT force.

Half true: The vast majority was forced into the enclaves by the TMT.
I think again you are making big pressumptions boy...i was more kinder to you with my comment...

4...the 13 points became the norm - no tcs in government: Turkish Lie.

The 13 points were supposed to correct the undemocratic provisions of the constitution which gave to the Turkish minority the right and the tools to be blocking continuously the operation of the state internally and externally.
well after 63 that wasn't the case now was it?...there were no VETO, no bullshit etc...we had an exclusive running of the country with the exemption of not losing 1/3 and having to negotiate an apartheid system, BBF with a greek donated BB gun...

5...inonu told the tcs to return to government - no hint of invasion.

Not yet you mean. Turkey was not properly prepared yet.
again looking at meaty balls...proof that it was the case...

6...turkey might had plans to invade but needed an excuse.

And military preparations and political support. Two factors which it did not have just yet.
i think you forget turkey tried to invade and was held back by the US...i think a couple of times...the best they did was napalm us...NOT HERE to EXCUSE VIOLENCE AGAINST VIOLENCE...I think there were fall back means/tools in avoiding violence on the island with turkey as guarantor state along with the british

7...why did greece hand 1/3 of cyprus to turkey?..It did not. Makarios did.
shit sherlock why do you think makarios made such a speech?...IT"S BECAUSE BY THEN THE MAJORITY DID NOT WANT TO BECOME A GREEK PROVINCE...WE WERE CONTENT...this begs the question how about the tc position...well by then the tcs themsellves had the same amount of F-morons as our side...
rather than listening to a single speech in 67 which represents a gran of sand comparing to the situation...read the roc governments version of events...reading the version of events gives you depth but reading one tiny event of our history and making this the base of your knowledge makes you a foolish person...
here and read and whip
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus36870.html

I think that, with what I have placed before you, I have given a picture of the situation. I have no doubt that an appropriate decision of the Security Council will put an end to the invasion and restore the violated independence of Cyprus and the democratic rights of the Cypriot people

what you brought forward is laughable to say the least...you haven't even read the roc findings and you come here half cocked with your tiny greek donated BB gun...

do your self a favour and read the roc findings on events with an open mind...unless ofcourse you are dismissing them outright because the roc government is not your own government and your government is in greece, which by the way you wanted and to this very day still longing...

After i read the findings with an open mind greece is guilty as charged...and if you claim we are greeks, this translates to fucking treason...read the greek ambassadors responce here when it was handed to him...boy he must have had a good laugh...
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus36870.html

I am sure tcs will dispute parts of it, actually certain of it, but we can claim the high ground as a mature community not only ready to face challenges ahead but admit our part in our history...something the tcs to this very day cannot even fathom to even think about it...they are a broken record...

as i said after reading the findings...either way you look at it, either greece committed treason or an invasion...take your pick coz end of the day she is guilty...

turkey ain't going anywhere and if she did the settlers are going to stay coz they are going to use EU laws against us...

BTW has greece ever apoligised for the death and destruction she bestowed upon the cypriot people yet?...what I can't hear you...

[kimon07]

boomerang.
You wanted answers and you got them. No need to be delirious now. Is there?

[boomerang]

boomerang.
You wanted answers and you got them. No need to be delirious now. Is there?

it all boils down to this question...if enosis was partial and no tcs in government why would they rattle feathers?....a deal between greece and turkey for a double enosis?...


so greece is guilty of treason or invasion my little greek wannaby?...

has greece apologised for death and destruction she bestowed upon cyprus?...