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by **Get Real!** » Sat Jan 28, 2012 1:36 am

Sotos wrote:I read quite a bit of it and there is nothing disputing how Hellenic is Cyprus. I got bored trying to find such dispute and you can't even quote it to me. She just disputes HOW Cyprus was hellenized in the ancient times.

No no no... you should’ve skipped the first section where she lays down the well known popular story.

by **Get Real!** » Sat Jan 28, 2012 1:39 am

I haven't read her second paper yet... I don't even now if its the same thing.

by **GreekIslandGirl** » Sat Jan 28, 2012 1:45 am

Get Real! wrote:
Sotos wrote:I read quite a bit of it and there is nothing disputing how Hellenic is Cyprus. I got bored trying to find such dispute and you can't even quote it to me. She just disputes HOW Cyprus was hellenized in the ancient times.

No no no... you should’ve skipped the first section where she lays down the well known popular story.

And proves why the 'popular' story is popular. Because the Hellenisation of Cyprus has an overwhelming amount of historical evidence to support it.

by **GreekIslandGirl** » Sat Jan 28, 2012 1:45 am

Get Real! wrote:I haven't read her second paper yet... I don't even now if its the same thing.

Please do!

Given has proposed that this climate of political unrest caused by the development of the Cypriot nationalism urged the colonial authority to consider ways of minimising the connection of the island’s early history with ancient Greece, as the Greek Cypriot intelligentsia drew upon it in order to legitimise its demands (Peristianes 1910; Zannetos 1910, p. 102-218; Given 1998, p. 3-4 and 12-15). The only possible way that this could be achieved was through the identification of an ancient autochthonous population that remained largely unaffected by more recent colonisation and immigration and would make ancient Cyprus look less Hellenic.

by **Get Real!** » Sat Jan 28, 2012 1:53 am

I just had a quick look and can confirm that this is a completely different paper in which she tries to please the Greek market with the well-known baloney to get the post doctorate and move on!

Perhaps she wanted to attain employment in Athens and correctly predicted that her first paper would win her no positions in Greece! :lol:

by **Get Real!** » Sat Jan 28, 2012 1:56 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Sotos wrote:I read quite a bit of it and there is nothing disputing how Hellenic is Cyprus. I got bored trying to find such dispute and you can't even quote it to me. She just disputes HOW Cyprus was hellenized in the ancient times.

No no no... you should’ve skipped the first section where she lays down the well known popular story.

And proves why the 'popular' story is popular. Because the Hellenisation of Cyprus has an overwhelming amount of historical evidence to support it.

That's nonsense! It takes a 12 year old to tear it to pieces! I myself as a non-historian have posted dozens of flaws over the years.

by **Get Real!** » Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:03 am

It’s interesting that when she was in Birmingham she felt comfortable enough to express herself freely but once she returned to Athens she immediately adjusted her work to comply with the Greek Gestapo! :lol:

Press Freedom Index 2011-2012

16 Cyprus
28 United Kingdom
57 USA
70 Greece
92 Israel
102 Cyprus (North)
148 Turkey

by **GreekIslandGirl** » Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:13 am

Get Real! wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Sotos wrote:I read quite a bit of it and there is nothing disputing how Hellenic is Cyprus. I got bored trying to find such dispute and you can't even quote it to me. She just disputes HOW Cyprus was hellenized in the ancient times.

No no no... you should’ve skipped the first section where she lays down the well known popular story.

And proves why the 'popular' story is popular. Because the Hellenisation of Cyprus has an overwhelming amount of historical evidence to support it.

That's nonsense! It takes a 12 year old to tear it to pieces! I myself as a non-historian have posted dozens of flaws over the years.

And your arguments are about as sound as those of a semi-educated 12 year old. :lol:

Snippet for you from your helpful historian, the lovely Leriou:

Besides pottery, the Swedish excavations unearthed more categories of evidence supporting the
Hellenisation hypothesis. At Lapithos-Kastros a new type of tomb of clearly Mycenaean origin was discovered:
chamber tombs with long dromoi that were dated to the beginning of the Iron Age on the basis of the pottery
they contained (Gjerstad 1931, p. 61; Gjerstad 1933, p. 267; Gjerstad 1980, p. 44-45; SCE I, p. 172-265). A
relatively large number of similar chamber tombs would later be located at various sites all over the island and
subsequently constitute one of the strongest arguments for a Mycenaean colonisation. Moreover the sanctuaries
at Aghia Irini and Idalion with their small roofed shrines seemed completely different from the earlier Cypriot
cult places and reminded Gjerstad of the domestic sanctuaries in the Minoan palaces and houses (Gjerstad 1933,
p. 267).

by **Get Real!** » Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:18 am

A 180 degree shift is evidence of her eagerness to please Athens upon realizing where her daily bread would be earned… :lol:

We can all chuck that second paper in the bin where it belongs... :lol:

by **GreekIslandGirl** » Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:39 am

Get Real! wrote:A 180 degree shift is evidence of her eagerness to please Athens upon realizing where her daily bread would be earned…

We can all chuck that second paper in the bin where it belongs...

You didn't understand her thesis the first time, when the Hellenic version of Paphitis posted it.

She has now made it clearer for the likes of you.

- Maybe she read the stupidities you came up with from her initial draft and addressed them.