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[Paphitis]

And wannaby Cypriots don't live in Cyprus and have a foreign citizenship

i have cyprus citizenship my little wananby greek suckers...

has greece apologised yet for the death and destruction it bestowed on cyprus yet?...maybe a wannby greek can answer this one...

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus36870.html

So you refuse that you have a foreign citizenship?

i have 2 citizenships, unlike you cypriot and aussie...and you ?...unlike you a real one and a make believe...

as painfull as it is to you to answer...has greece apologised yet for the death and destruction it bestowed on cyprus yet?...maybe a wannby greek can answer this one...

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus36870.html

We have DUAL citizenship and live in the real world. We clearly have a better worldview than those that live on the island!

[Paphitis]

i have 2 citizenships

You are a foreigner.

wow man,,,thats a bit rich coming from a greek living in cyprus

Cypriots are Greek because Cyprus is a Greek island. Those who are not Greek are foreigners and wannabe Cypriots like you

oh i need some time to absorb this like a sec...so that makes it ok now that we lost 1/3 of the country because greek tentasies are to screw other greeks...that makes sense now doesn't it...thanks for sharing some light on this...

now go a negotiate a BBF with your greek donated BB gun...

Such a very scientific approach straight from the Gymnasium!

[Get Real!]

But if you can pick and choose whom you want to believe so can I What is more likely to be lies and fantasies: The work of many professors or the work of some student. I know what I would choose and it is not the student. And besides, what exactly do you claim that she exposes? I can't be arsed to read the whole paper of some student but I searched for some phrases such as "Cyprus is not Greek" and got no results. So quote the relevant part where she claims that Cyprus is not Greek.

They were just copying each other as Leriou explains but anyway... here's the ending which describes fools like you...

During the past twenty years a relatively large number of studies challenging the ‘official’ Hellenisation narrative have seen the light of day. Given the problems associated with the narrative’s theoretical basis, i.e. the culture-historical approach towards material culture, as demonstrated in the first section of this paper, this is something that one should by all means expect. These studies consist of systematic reassessments of various classes of archaeological evidence, the results of which indirectly question various parts of the narrative. Moreover, there are several new readings and interpretations of the archaeological record achieved through the adoption of different perspectives or methodological tools. Although many, the researchers attempting to promote a reconsideration of the Hellenisation hypothesis have not managed to instigate a proper debate between them and the ‘official’ narrative’s supporters, who seemingly chose to ignore the discussions mentioned above. Only two sub-issues have so far become subjects of controversy: the existence of the Eteocypriots and the date of the Cypriot kingdoms’ establishment. Nevertheless, this controversy was not strong enough to have a palpable impact on the Hellenisation narrative, the strength of which derives largely from its nationalistic character. Thus, it is going to take more than a couple of decades until a drastically revised version of the Hellenisation hypothesis will be making the headlines, particularly the non-academic ones.

[Paphitis]

Piratis, you are living in a fantasy world to have such beliefs. Cyprus is an independent nation and for multiculturalism to work, then you need to engineer a society that includes everyone as an equal on an individual basis. Your thesis will never achieve this in 100 years, but ours has a glimmer of hope and this is what has been achieved in other countries with 100 cultures.

There is no other way. Your way is divisive and the best you can look forward to is a BBF with rotating presidency and HR derogations, and that is if such a thing comes to pass.

I and thousands more have other visions which do not involve Greece or Turkey.

Fact of the matter is this! Because of Double Union and the enclaves, most countries see our conflict as an ethnic one. The invasion will still never be legitimized, but many that consider themselves the learned liberal intellectuals in the new world can see that both "communities" have their concerns and this is the reason why no one does anything about Cyprus and that includes the EU. They see the Cyprus Problem as an ethnic dispute because people like you turned it into one and are doing their utmost to perpetuate this insanity. So in order to solve this dispute you better start building bridges and you won't achieve this by shoving these false Hellenic Fantasy myths of yours in their faces.

You are Eroglu's best ally and friend, not me.

The division is not something I created but something that existed since the Ottoman era when Christians and Muslims where divided with the Muslims given more rights than the majority of the population. Apart from ethnic differences we also have linguistic and religious differences and it is not possible to engineer some homogeneous society. The solution is not to force everyone to be the same (not even possible) but to respect the differences of each other. This is what happens in all other multicultural countries. If everybody was forced to be the same then they wouldn't be called multicultural.

It is people like you who downgraded the Cyprus problem into one of ethnic dispute. If by merely removing our different ethnicities the problem would be solved, doesn't that mean that the ethnic differences were the problem? That is YOUR argument, not mine.

What I argue is that the problem is the Turkish expansionism. Turkey used the Turkish minority on the island as an excuse by promising to them gains on our expense. And the same would happen no matter how you call this minority, Turkish, Turkish Speaking, Muslim etc, the fact remains that either we like it or not there is a difference which can be exploited by the Imperialists. People who share the same ethnicity and language were divided because they were followers of a different sect of the same religion, so please don't tell me that would be any difficulty to divide Cypriots who have different language and religion.

Therefore the problem will not be solved by trying to engineer some "Cypriot ethnicity". The problem will be solved when Turkey loses at least part of its power and loses the ability to exploit the differences which either we like it or not exist on our island.

Meanwhile we will not accept any bad solution, but we should make our position stronger by creating stronger alliances with friendly countries, not pushing them away.

Absolutely Piratis. The division occured when they came in 1453.

You don't perpetuate the division at all!

Piratis, you need to get a refund for that education of yours!

[Sotos]

Cypriots are Greek because Cyprus is a Greek island.

Err, Dr Leriou just enquired about your sources and references...

And I’m embarrassed to inform her it came out your back side...

Sources and references can be found in every Greek history book ever written and not only... but I forgot that you pick and choose what you like But the fact that Cyprus is Greek can be seen all over Cyprus. All you need to do is come to Cyprus and see that people here speak Greek are Greek Orthodox and are just like all other Greeks and Greek flags are flying everywhere. It is like somebody asks you to prove that you are a man and you are looking to find your birth certificate when all you really need to do is show them your dick and balls

[boomerang]

taking piratis thinking we are saying now the greeks came uninvitated to cyprus in the 60's...because who invites anyone to commit death and destruction to their country...

has greece apologised yet?...

[Get Real!]

...the fact that Cyprus is Greek can be seen all over Cyprus. All you need to do is come to Cyprus and see that people here speak Greek are Greek Orthodox and are just like all other Greeks and Greek flags are flying everywhere.

By the same token in Cyprus people also speak Turkish, Turkish flags are flying aplenty, and Islam is strongly felt!

Is Cyprus a Turkish island?

It certainly satisfies your juvenile criteria!

[Sotos]

But if you can pick and choose whom you want to believe so can I What is more likely to be lies and fantasies: The work of many professors or the work of some student. I know what I would choose and it is not the student. And besides, what exactly do you claim that she exposes? I can't be arsed to read the whole paper of some student but I searched for some phrases such as "Cyprus is not Greek" and got no results. So quote the relevant part where she claims that Cyprus is not Greek.

They were just copying each other as Leriou explains but anyway... here's the ending which describes fools like you...

During the past twenty years a relatively large number of studies challenging the ‘official’ Hellenisation narrative have seen the light of day. Given the problems associated with the narrative’s theoretical basis, i.e. the culture-historical approach towards material culture, as demonstrated in the first section of this paper, this is something that one should by all means expect. These studies consist of systematic reassessments of various classes of archaeological evidence, the results of which indirectly question various parts of the narrative. Moreover, there are several new readings and interpretations of the archaeological record achieved through the adoption of different perspectives or methodological tools. Although many, the researchers attempting to promote a reconsideration of the Hellenisation hypothesis have not managed to instigate a proper debate between them and the ‘official’ narrative’s supporters, who seemingly chose to ignore the discussions mentioned above. Only two sub-issues have so far become subjects of controversy: the existence of the Eteocypriots and the date of the Cypriot kingdoms’ establishment. Nevertheless, this controversy was not strong enough to have a palpable impact on the Hellenisation narrative, the strength of which derives largely from its nationalistic character. Thus, it is going to take more than a couple of decades until a drastically revised version of the Hellenisation hypothesis will be making the headlines, particularly the non-academic ones.

There is nothing in the above quote where she claims that Cyprus is not Greek. She just seems to have a different hypothesis on how Cyprus was Hellenized.

[Sotos]

...the fact that Cyprus is Greek can be seen all over Cyprus. All you need to do is come to Cyprus and see that people here speak Greek are Greek Orthodox and are just like all other Greeks and Greek flags are flying everywhere.

By the same token in Cyprus people also speak Turkish, Turkish flags are flying aplenty, and Islam is strongly felt!

Is Cyprus a Turkish island?

It certainly satisfies your juvenile criteria!

The above only happens illegally because of the illegal Turkish occupation But if it was legalized and we accepted it then north Cyprus would become Turkish. Isn't this what happened to Asia Minor? Or maybe because the Turkish Settlers are in Cyprus now they should be called Cypriots and not Turks?

[boomerang]

But if you can pick and choose whom you want to believe so can I What is more likely to be lies and fantasies: The work of many professors or the work of some student. I know what I would choose and it is not the student. And besides, what exactly do you claim that she exposes? I can't be arsed to read the whole paper of some student but I searched for some phrases such as "Cyprus is not Greek" and got no results. So quote the relevant part where she claims that Cyprus is not Greek.

They were just copying each other as Leriou explains but anyway... here's the ending which describes fools like you...

During the past twenty years a relatively large number of studies challenging the ‘official’ Hellenisation narrative have seen the light of day. Given the problems associated with the narrative’s theoretical basis, i.e. the culture-historical approach towards material culture, as demonstrated in the first section of this paper, this is something that one should by all means expect. These studies consist of systematic reassessments of various classes of archaeological evidence, the results of which indirectly question various parts of the narrative. Moreover, there are several new readings and interpretations of the archaeological record achieved through the adoption of different perspectives or methodological tools. Although many, the researchers attempting to promote a reconsideration of the Hellenisation hypothesis have not managed to instigate a proper debate between them and the ‘official’ narrative’s supporters, who seemingly chose to ignore the discussions mentioned above. Only two sub-issues have so far become subjects of controversy: the existence of the Eteocypriots and the date of the Cypriot kingdoms’ establishment. Nevertheless, this controversy was not strong enough to have a palpable impact on the Hellenisation narrative, the strength of which derives largely from its nationalistic character. Thus, it is going to take more than a couple of decades until a drastically revised version of the Hellenisation hypothesis will be making the headlines, particularly the non-academic ones.

There is nothing in the above quote where she claims that Cyprus is not Greek. She just seems to have a different hypothesis on how Cyprus was Hellenized.

you mean it was a soft hellenizion vs the events of a brutal hellenizion/assimilation of the 60's...that makes sense...sotos you are great...

Thus, it is going to take more than a couple of decades until a drastically revised version of the Hellenisation hypothesis will be making the headlines, particularly the non-academic ones

for the hard heads, read wannaby greeks, it will take a lot longer than that... they do not even accept the events that led to 74...a mere 38 years ago...

has greece apologised yet?...for being the instigator of death and desctruction they bestowed upon cyprus 38 years ago?...