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[halil]

Paphitis wrote:
''we don't display the Greek Flag on any Government or Public owned buildings. Most of these hideous flags are on private property. Only the RoC and EU Flags are hoisted next to each other on Public buildings.''

Are u sure @ Bafidi
how about the Greek Flags on the borders and check points...aren't they Control by the ''ROC'' ?
Aren't u one of the CF members all the time attacking bananiot that he had good relationship with TC's.....I hope u are honest with your remarks and u can visit our coffee club at your next trip to Cyprus.... to build up bridges between people are passes always from the come togethers and with good relationship.


How nice to hear you again Zan gardash .

Yes I am sure that there are no Greek Flags on public buildings. As for the checkpoints, I am not sure if any Greek Flags are hoisted officially by the military.

@Bafidi . are u trying to say me that military is not under the control of the ''ROC''. Also why they can be offically hoist by military....

Halil, I don't have a problem about enjoying a cup of coffee with you or Bananiot or anyone else.
Thanks...I am very glad.
In fact, I asked GR to organize something to that effect in the near future. Your names were specifically mentioned. You can ask him if you don't believe me.
thanks again...
At our coffee club people are not member of the CF. Umit was with them few weeks ago.
In my mind there is no borders Bafidi....we must meet at both sides... it can be in Bafphos(Baf), larnaka, Kyreania (Girne) or Famagusta(magusa)....

[Paphitis]

Halil,

the CNG is under the control of the RoC. What I am trying to say is that I am not so sure that it is the CNG that would be responsible for any of those Flags. You will need to ask DT for more information because I don't know the facts. I presume that these Flags are not official like the RoC and EU Flags.

I have no problem with the coffee club.

However, in order to meet, it will have to be in free Nicosia for me, otherwise it is not possible I'm afraid.

[Piratis]

I hope you understand that if you’re not prepared to do away with your Turkishness and Piratis is not prepared to simultaneously do away with his Greekness, then you are BOTH a problem for someone like me…

All I’m asking is for everyone to sacrifice their secondary national shit for the sake of our beloved PRIMARY homeland but alas!

You people just don’t get it do you…

Did you not hear? 40 years of only Greek culture what part of that is the "Cypriotness" you are trying to sell me. As for not getting it! Anything like that photo you posted that you thought did not contain Greek soldiers marching along side GC ones lol I get it alright

Get rid of them buddy and pull down the Greek flags. Tell your bouncers to go home, loud enough for the world to hear. Become a "Cypriot" hero, albeit a dead one and when we unite and tear down the statues of Makarios, I will personally immortalise you in Lefkosa. wth your own statue. Our first Cypriot hero who gave his life for us. You will be a legend if you follow your dream

It didn't seem to bother you when you came to Cyprus after 3000 years of Greek culture on this island. How come it is such an issue for you now? If your argument is that Greek and Turkish cultures can not coexist, then shouldn't you also apologize for coming to an island where the primary culture was Greek for millennia, and in this way creating the problem?

Get Real, Paphitis etc, are wrong in multiple levels.

If the issue was the ethnic differences of people, then the solution wouldn't be to force everybody to be the same, but on the contrary to respect the differences of each ethnicity. This is how successful multicultural multiethnic countries are.

Unfortunately that is not even the issue here. The issue is that a minority of people are promised privileges and gains on the expense of the majority. Even if there would be no Greek and Turkish ethnicities and we would all be just Cypriots, absolutely nothing would change. The Turkish speaking, Muslim minority would still be promised privileges and gains on the expense of the Greek speaking Christian majority, and they would act in the exact same way as they act now. What they care about is to have the gains and privileges they are promised. They couldn't care less about the label that is given to their minority.

You can meet with these TCs and be "friends" with them but (with very few exceptions) they will not put such "friendships" over their interests and the gains they expect to have on our expense.

So by dismissing our Greek identity there will still not be any homogenous Cypriot population anyway, there will still be the same promises to the Muslim minority for gains on our expense, and we would achieve nothing more than alienating the rest of Greeks and further isolating Cyprus from our nation, which is exactly what our enemies want.

[Paphitis]

Piratis, you are living in a fantasy world to have such beliefs. Cyprus is an independent nation and for multiculturalism to work, then you need to engineer a society that includes everyone as an equal on an individual basis. Your thesis will never achieve this in 100 years, but ours has a glimmer of hope and this is what has been achieved in other countries with 100 cultures.

There is no other way. Your way is divisive and the best you can look forward to is a BBF with rotating presidency and HR derogations, and that is if such a thing comes to pass.

I and thousands more have other visions which do not involve Greece or Turkey.

Fact of the matter is this! Because of Double Union and the enclaves, most countries see our conflict as an ethnic one. The invasion will still never be legitimized, but many that consider themselves the learned liberal intellectuals in the new world can see that both "communities" have their concerns and this is the reason why no one does anything about Cyprus and that includes the EU. They see the Cyprus Problem as an ethnic dispute because people like you turned it into one and are doing their utmost to perpetuate this insanity. So in order to solve this dispute you better start building bridges and you won't achieve this by shoving these false Hellenic Fantasy myths of yours in their faces.

You are Eroglu's best ally and friend, not me.

[Get Real!]

It didn't seem to bother you when you came to Cyprus after 3000 years of Greek culture on this island.

Piratis, you need to URGENTLY study how all this baloney came to be...

http://www.stanford.edu/dept/archaeolog ... /paper.pdf

Pay special attention from this section onwards…

III. THE MYCENAEAN COLONIZATION OF CYPRUS NARRATIVE: HOW IT
WAS CONSTRUCTED

[Piratis]

Piratis, you are living in a fantasy world to have such beliefs. Cyprus is an independent nation and for multiculturalism to work, then you need to engineer a society that includes everyone as an equal on an individual basis. Your thesis will never achieve this in 100 years, but ours has a glimmer of hope and this is what has been achieved in other countries with 100 cultures.

There is no other way. Your way is divisive and the best you can look forward to is a BBF with rotating presidency and HR derogations, and that is if such a thing comes to pass.

I and thousands more have other visions which do not involve Greece or Turkey.

Fact of the matter is this! Because of Double Union and the enclaves, most countries see our conflict as an ethnic one. The invasion will still never be legitimized, but many that consider themselves the learned liberal intellectuals in the new world can see that both "communities" have their concerns and this is the reason why no one does anything about Cyprus and that includes the EU. They see the Cyprus Problem as an ethnic dispute because people like you turned it into one and are doing their utmost to perpetuate this insanity. So in order to solve this dispute you better start building bridges and you won't achieve this by shoving these false Hellenic Fantasy myths of yours in their faces.

You are Eroglu's best ally and friend, not me.

The division is not something I created but something that existed since the Ottoman era when Christians and Muslims where divided with the Muslims given more rights than the majority of the population. Apart from ethnic differences we also have linguistic and religious differences and it is not possible to engineer some homogeneous society. The solution is not to force everyone to be the same (not even possible) but to respect the differences of each other. This is what happens in all other multicultural countries. If everybody was forced to be the same then they wouldn't be called multicultural.

It is people like you who downgraded the Cyprus problem into one of ethnic dispute. If by merely removing our different ethnicities the problem would be solved, doesn't that mean that the ethnic differences were the problem? That is YOUR argument, not mine.

What I argue is that the problem is the Turkish expansionism. Turkey used the Turkish minority on the island as an excuse by promising to them gains on our expense. And the same would happen no matter how you call this minority, Turkish, Turkish Speaking, Muslim etc, the fact remains that either we like it or not there is a difference which can be exploited by the Imperialists. People who share the same ethnicity and language were divided because they were followers of a different sect of the same religion, so please don't tell me that would be any difficulty to divide Cypriots who have different language and religion.

Therefore the problem will not be solved by trying to engineer some "Cypriot ethnicity". The problem will be solved when Turkey loses at least part of its power and loses the ability to exploit the differences which either we like it or not exist on our island.

Meanwhile we will not accept any bad solution, but we should make our position stronger by creating stronger alliances with friendly countries, not pushing them away.

[Hermes]

The question of "building bridges" while necessary is a secondary one here. The Turkish invasion and occupation exists to promote Turkey's perceived geo-strategic interests on the island. These exist above the interests of the TCs. Does anyone seriously believe that Turkey has the best interests of the TCs at heart in Cyprus?

Secondly, if the Turkish army vanished overnight in the north, what would happen? To avoid chaos an agreement would be reached in a week for a united federal Cyprus under EU law with strong minority rights. It's only because the Turkish army is breathing down the backs of the TCs that they feel emboldened to seek a solution that grants them privileges above and beyond what they would be entitled to in any other country - indeed to seek their own "state". Turkey is therefore what is preventing an acceptable solution in Cyprus.

Contact and trust between the communities is not an insurmountable obstacle. Of course it is desirable even while the occupation exists. It would certainly be easier once the occupation is over in my opinion. But as long as the occupation exists then it is preventing trust and hardening TC positions into undemocratic and unacceptable stances. This makes trust and compromise impossible. The primary problem is therefore not the ethnic division in Cyprus. But the Turkish occupation and how to end it.

[Viewpoint]

How naive, if the Turkish Army were to go everything would be great...great for whom the GCs.

[supporttheunderdog]

It didn't seem to bother you when you came to Cyprus after 3000 years of Greek culture on this island.

Piratis, you need to URGENTLY study how all this baloney came to be...

http://www.stanford.edu/dept/archaeolog ... /paper.pdf

Pay special attention from this section onwards…

III. THE MYCENAEAN COLONIZATION OF CYPRUS NARRATIVE: HOW IT
WAS CONSTRUCTED

An updated version

http://www.mom.fr/IMG/pdf/Leriou_ed-2.pdf

[Get Real!]

It didn't seem to bother you when you came to Cyprus after 3000 years of Greek culture on this island.

Piratis, you need to URGENTLY study how all this baloney came to be...

http://www.stanford.edu/dept/archaeolog ... /paper.pdf

Pay special attention from this section onwards…

III. THE MYCENAEAN COLONIZATION OF CYPRUS NARRATIVE: HOW IT
WAS CONSTRUCTED

An updated version

http://www.mom.fr/IMG/pdf/Leriou_ed-2.pdf

Thanks, I'll dig into that over the weekend...