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[Schnauzer]

What is this "we" business?

Hey Joe, I like your style and out of deference to it, I have written a song for you, it should be sung to the tune of "It ain't necessarily so" (well known).


"I don't mind you calling me Joe,
though Josephs my true name you know,
now I don't mind 'Joey' or 'Josey' or 'Jody'
BUT, I don't like folks calling me 'Jo..Nah'................Co's HE got swallowed by a Whale !"

Hope you like it mate, just had a few, off to bed..........Good Luck.

[repulsewarrior]

@ joe

...i don't get to live in my "mixed" village, i fear "Turks", and i know that "Greeks" don't like me either.

...the "we" is the rest of us, who are Cypriot, and as Humans first, recognise that the Problem is not "Greek"/"Turkish", but of Individual Rights, and the identity of people as Persons.

Cyprus suffers the Intolerance of the status quo, our third option is to grow beyond the proxy war that is keeping us "their" subject. Cyprus is a State, and a state of mind, and in my Cyprus, you don't have to be anything except honest and respectful. In my Cyprus we profit from our diversity, we enjoy the best their differences offer. and as a Hellenes or Turcic (forgive my spelling if i am wrong) being Cypriot is more, as the victims; we know the difference between "Greeks" and Greeks, and "Turks" and Turks.

[joe]

@ joe

...i don't get to live in my "mixed" village, i fear "Turks", and i know that "Greeks" don't like me either.

.

Gotcha.

You fear Turks and Greeks do not like you and that is why you do not live in your mixed village. Okaaaaaay, please, by all means, continue your insane ramblings. Take care

[bill cobbett]

@ joe

...i don't get to live in my "mixed" village, i fear "Turks", and i know that "Greeks" don't like me either.

.

Gotcha.

You fear Turks and Greeks do not like you and that is why you do not live in your mixed village. Okaaaaaay, please, by all means, continue your insane ramblings. Take care

A common experience of people who put their conscience before the usual tribal, "motherland" rubbish.

[joe]

@ joe

...i don't get to live in my "mixed" village, i fear "Turks", and i know that "Greeks" don't like me either.

.

Gotcha.

You fear Turks and Greeks do not like you and that is why you do not live in your mixed village. Okaaaaaay, please, by all means, continue your insane ramblings. Take care

A common experience of people who put their conscience before the usual tribal, "motherland" rubbish.

This whole thread is rubbish. Repulse stated that he is glad that he is "fortunate to live in a country where tolerance is a Universal Principal, and where as a Person i can express my distinctiveness without fear."

I only asked him how that was any different from the RoC... .

Im actually offended by his answer. Its one thing to equate the so called "trnc" as intolerable, but the RoC?

What loyalty do you guys have to the RoC and if there's none then why post here?

[Paphitis]

I am going to talk about multiculturalism.

I have grown up in a multicultural and cohesive country and this multiculturalism has enriched us so much. In the past, you would only call countries like the US, Canada, Australia and NZ multicultural, but the fact of the matter is that now, the entire world is becoming multicultural and so is Cyprus, Greece and just about all EU nations, in particular, France, Germany, Italy, Britain et al.

The issue is this! Are we going to change and be all inclusive within our society to include and respect new arrivals as Cypriots and engineer a society such as that which exists in Australia? Or are we going to end up like Greece, with hellfire on the streets and foreigners on the park benches, looking to mug the unsuspecting?

Make no mistake about it, with the ease that people can travel, there will be a time when other cultures will exceed in numbers both GCs and TCs combined. It is already happening. So where will this BBF sit then? Defunct it will be in time, there is no doubt.

So what are we to do?

Well, every islander, that especially includes the GCs and TCs (apologies for using these repulsive labels) NEED to be Cypriots and only Cypriots. This is what will bring us together and destroy the division. But that's not all. Every Brit and every Russian must become Cypriots. We must accept them as Cypriots! We are all Cypriots!

That is the best way Cyprus can prosper in the future, and not end up like Greece. We must engineer a society that is Cypriot. Cypriot will be multicultural, not Greek or Turkish but Cypriot and it will or should integrate others as well, including the thousands of new arrivals who will gain citizenship. Time to expand your minds people and think about the Cyprus you will leave to your kids.

That is the future we need to accept as today's reality. And I dream that Cyprus will do it far better than Australia but for that to happen we all need to be Cypriots, like those living in Australia are Australian (not British) and stop shoving Greek and Turkish flags in the other "communities" faces. There will be a time when communities cease to exist if we become Cypriots!

We need to unite as one, and that can only be achieved as Cypriots. It begins within the education system, and within 1 or 2 generations Cyprus can be a utopia.

Are we willing to grow as a Nation, or are we to stay as we are?

Do we really love Cyprus? If yes, then express your Cypriotness NOW!

Bravo Paphitis, excellent thread. The world is shrinking by the day. Multiculturalism is inevitable, especially with Cyprus having so much going for itself now. I remember England back in the 60s, there was no tolerance for ethnic groups and it was perfectly normal being called a "bloody foreigner" on daily basis. I was involved in a road collision and will never forget a woman telling me I shouldn't even be here.

Look at it now, most tolerant and most accepting nation on the planet (OK, its not perfect but where is perfect?). In Cyprus there is only one way to achieve this and it is by accepting the facts as they are. Once we achieve this then the rest, like integration, tolerance, respect and love will become second nature for us.
Again, excellent thread paphitis.

Glad you think so MR-from-NG.

I was lucky to grow up in the snowies. My father when he came was got a job with the Australian Army, but I remember growing up in the Australian country because that is where he was posted. We had to endure a lot in those days. Good thing was, my father made many friends and was a highly respected individual amongst Aussies, who were always supportive, and that helped him in business later on.

Stick around because there will be many changes on this forum bro.

[repulsewarrior]

@ joe

...i don't get to live in my "mixed" village, i fear "Turks", and i know that "Greeks" don't like me either.

.

Gotcha.

You fear Turks and Greeks do not like you and that is why you do not live in your mixed village. Okaaaaaay, please, by all means, continue your insane ramblings. Take care

A common experience of people who put their conscience before the usual tribal, "motherland" rubbish.

This whole thread is rubbish. Repulse stated that he is glad that he is "fortunate to live in a country where tolerance is a Universal Principal, and where as a Person i can express my distinctiveness without fear."

I only asked him how that was any different from the RoC... .

Im actually offended by his answer. Its one thing to equate the so called "trnc" as intolerable, but the RoC?

What loyalty do you guys have to the RoC and if there's none then why post here?

are there "mixed" villages any longer, is there Freedom of Association, and Movement

@ joe

...i don't get to live in my "mixed" village, i fear "Turks", and i know that "Greeks" don't like me either.

.

Gotcha.

You fear Turks and Greeks do not like you and that is why you do not live in your mixed village. Okaaaaaay, please, by all means, continue your insane ramblings. Take care

dude, are there "mixed" villages in Cyprus, are we free to associate and to travel freely on the island; what has changed, what is different?

...my guess is that you are too young to remember a time before being labeled "Greeks" and "Turks", when if we were labeled, as Cypriots, it was to the land, from where we came from.

...you assume about my feelings toward the trnc and my desire to see Constitutional reform in the RoC; character assassination, is that all you got?

[Piratis]

It is time for change - time to express Cypriotness

You are the only one who needs to change to become Cypriot - if that were possible.

Trial and error is your adopted method since you do not feel what comes naturally to the majority natives of Cyprus who are not ashamed of their Greek language, customs, religion and inheritance. What is more, you do not support the RoC and its chosen alliances but try to ridicule us and our sister EU states - as the Imperialists persist in so doing to sow the seeds of isolation for continued manipulation.

You are too far removed; by birth, continent and culture - and you lack the fortitude required for the native Cypriot identity - which is Greek.

hmmmm...nearly there GG...in piratis terms he simply assimilated to a higher civilisation, just like the then cypriots did...or you think that greeks were planted by god in cyprus...

When the Mycenaeans first came to Cyprus there was not any great Greek civilization yet. The Greek Civilization is one that was gradually created and Cyprus was one of the sources of this civilization.

It is more about the numbers. 3000+ years ago the population of the world was 150 times less than it is today. The total population of Cyprus could not have been more than 5000-7000 people back then. In other words the island was mostly uninhabited. The Myceneans founded new cities on the island and they gradually mixed with those who came to Cyprus before and after them. Since the Greeks were the majority, their language and culture prevailed. The same happened in all territories that eventually became Greek, Cyprus was not the only place to have pre-historic settlements, most places did.

This is how every nation was created (with maybe a few exceptions of very isolated areas). It was a process of constant human migrations and mixing of people and ideas.

The idea that we became Greek only when we were send Greek textbooks is ridiculous, especially when you consider that we are talking about a time that we were under foreign rule. If Greeks had some super powers that could turn people into Greeks just by sending them textbooks then the whole world would be Greek. Similarly the Turks could send us their own textbooks and turn us into Turks. This is of course nonsense. We wanted the Greek textbooks because we are Greek, we didn't turn Greek because we got the textbooks.

We are as Cypriot as Cypriots can get. We definetely don't take lessosns of Cypriotness from people who have been assimilated by foreign nations and are mostly foreign to our island. Not every island is a separate nation on its own. In fact 99%+ of the inhabited islands are not separate nations on their own. The fact that we are a separate country and not part of the Greek state as the many other Greek islands is not because we are a separate nation, but because this served the interests of the British and the Turks, who forced Cyprus to be a separate country against the will of the vast majority of Cypriots.

you a cypriot?...is this a joke?...

gawd piratis cut the crap who cares what happened 3000 years ago?......we are country in our right...you statement we are greeks is enough to disqualify us from the eu...think about it...

greeks assimilated us via brute forse because history tells us so...you really need a wake up call...

and further more i was part of the cyprus history as i was born in 58....you weren't even born then...you learn history since the 60's via brainwashing...

your generation is full of fairy tales...i for one i am a proud cypriot and there is nothing you can do and say to change that...regardless where i reside...

here is a question for you piratis...from 64 to 74 the roc was exclusively run by gcs...that wasn't enough for you?...you needed to split the country with a coup AGAINST THE MAJORITY OF THE POPULATION?...you blame the british for not allowing a true referendum but here you are with the coup against the majority trying to enforce your will...go figure...

you called the british, fascists, imperialists but you do not critisize greece for doing the same to cyprus?...oh i forgot we are greeks so everything is honky dory...is this it?...fucking hell man, you need to get out more...

We definetely don't take lessosns of Cypriotness from people who have been assimilated by foreign nations

then this applies to you more than to me...

Again:

1. Cyprus is a separate country not because this was our choice but because this suited the interests of the British and the Turks who forced some pseudo-independence on us (with foreign troops, foreign bases, foreign "guarantors", foreign judjes of the supreme court, a constitution written by foreigners - independence my ass)

2. If it wasn't for Greece threatening to veto the whole EU expansion Cyprus wouldn't be in EU in the first place

3. When Greeks came to Cyprus the island was mostly uninhabited. Those who did inhabit it came from elsewhere, they didn't grow out of the land of Cyprus. There is not any evidence of any forced assimilation but on the contrary a very slow and gradual mixing of the population.

4. In your own admission you were brainwashed by the British.

5. I do not support any Junta or anything else that is against the will of the people. What I support is the contrary: That Cypriot people should have the right to democratically decide what to do with their own island. You on the other hand share the mentality of the coupists and the imperialists that it is fine to do whatever you want even when this is against the will of the vast majority of the population.

[boomerang]

Again:

1. Cyprus is a separate country not because this was our choice but because this suited the interests of the British and the Turks who forced some pseudo-independence on us (with foreign troops, foreign bases, foreign "guarantors", foreign judjes of the supreme court, a constitution written by foreigners - independence my ass)

we were a separate country and the people voiced their wants as to remain a separate country, and in 64-74 the gcs had exclusive running of the republic...why then there was a coup and not respect of the majority?...

2. If it wasn't for Greece threatening to veto the whole EU expansion Cyprus wouldn't be in EU in the first place

their sorry ass of a nation owes us a lot more than this, at least 3-4 islands to make for the destruction they caused us...

3. When Greeks came to Cyprus the island was mostly uninhabited. Those who did inhabit it came from elsewhere, they didn't grow out of the land of Cyprus. There is not any evidence of any forced assimilation but on the contrary a very slow and gradual mixing of the population.

and thoase that became greeks were not planted by god on greece, everyone back then came from somewhere, so this alone nullifoes your argument...as history teaches us assimilation is via brute force, there never has been a rosy assimilation...

4. In your own admission you were brainwashed by the British.

resulting in fibs now piratis?...a desperate attempt in mudding the waters yet again...

5. I do not support any Junta or anything else that is against the will of the people. What I support is the contrary: That Cypriot people should have the right to democratically decide what to do with their own island. You on the other hand share the mentality of the coupists and the imperialists that it is fine to do whatever you want even when this is against the will of the vast majority of the population.

nice to know that you also beleive in fairy tales...in 74 greece scheemed with turkey for a double enosis AGAINST the will of the democratically elected government...
I say double enosis because if you had exclusive running of the country why would you want enosis then, you kinda had enosis by the self eliminationof tcs in government to start off with...evidence are plentyfull because mate you had all in cyprus from 64 to 74 with the exemption of turning cyprus into province via the coup...

anything you do not understand, please do not hesitate to ask just so you can learn some FACTS...

[joe]

@ joe

...i don't get to live in my "mixed" village, i fear "Turks", and i know that "Greeks" don't like me either.

.

Gotcha.

You fear Turks and Greeks do not like you and that is why you do not live in your mixed village. Okaaaaaay, please, by all means, continue your insane ramblings. Take care

A common experience of people who put their conscience before the usual tribal, "motherland" rubbish.

This whole thread is rubbish. Repulse stated that he is glad that he is "fortunate to live in a country where tolerance is a Universal Principal, and where as a Person i can express my distinctiveness without fear."

I only asked him how that was any different from the RoC... .

Im actually offended by his answer. Its one thing to equate the so called "trnc" as intolerable, but the RoC?

What loyalty do you guys have to the RoC and if there's none then why post here?

are there "mixed" villages any longer, is there Freedom of Association, and Movement

I havent a clue as to what ur talking about. We are inundated with Russians, Ukrainians, Poles and all other European peoples. If you are referring to the north of the island that is occupied then i suggest you take your frustration on the occupier.

@ joe

...i don't get to live in my "mixed" village, i fear "Turks", and i know that "Greeks" don't like me either.

.

Gotcha.

You fear Turks and Greeks do not like you and that is why you do not live in your mixed village. Okaaaaaay, please, by all means, continue your insane ramblings. Take care

dude, are there "mixed" villages in Cyprus, are we free to associate and to travel freely on the island; what has changed, what is different?

...my guess is that you are too young to remember a time before being labeled "Greeks" and "Turks", when if we were labeled, as Cypriots, it was to the land, from where we came from.

...you assume about my feelings toward the trnc and my desire to see Constitutional reform in the RoC; character assassination, is that all you got?

I could care less about your feelings toward the SO CALLED ''trnc" and constitutional reform for the RoC will not be implemented by people of this forum who most do not even reside on the island so stop the preaching.