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[Schnauzer]

Did you know that Greek speaking Cypriots can read and understand the new testament in the original Greek that the dumbos from Greece?

FACT.

Sorry "Me Ed", cannot quite understand that which you have written above.

[Piratis]

It is time for change - time to express Cypriotness

You are the only one who needs to change to become Cypriot - if that were possible.

Trial and error is your adopted method since you do not feel what comes naturally to the majority natives of Cyprus who are not ashamed of their Greek language, customs, religion and inheritance. What is more, you do not support the RoC and its chosen alliances but try to ridicule us and our sister EU states - as the Imperialists persist in so doing to sow the seeds of isolation for continued manipulation.

You are too far removed; by birth, continent and culture - and you lack the fortitude required for the native Cypriot identity - which is Greek.

hmmmm...nearly there GG...in piratis terms he simply assimilated to a higher civilisation, just like the then cypriots did...or you think that greeks were planted by god in cyprus...

When the Mycenaeans first came to Cyprus there was not any great Greek civilization yet. The Greek Civilization is one that was gradually created and Cyprus was one of the sources of this civilization.

It is more about the numbers. 3000+ years ago the population of the world was 150 times less than it is today. The total population of Cyprus could not have been more than 5000-7000 people back then. In other words the island was mostly uninhabited. The Myceneans founded new cities on the island and they gradually mixed with those who came to Cyprus before and after them. Since the Greeks were the majority, their language and culture prevailed. The same happened in all territories that eventually became Greek, Cyprus was not the only place to have pre-historic settlements, most places did.

This is how every nation was created (with maybe a few exceptions of very isolated areas). It was a process of constant human migrations and mixing of people and ideas.

The idea that we became Greek only when we were send Greek textbooks is ridiculous, especially when you consider that we are talking about a time that we were under foreign rule. If Greeks had some super powers that could turn people into Greeks just by sending them textbooks then the whole world would be Greek. Similarly the Turks could send us their own textbooks and turn us into Turks. This is of course nonsense. We wanted the Greek textbooks because we are Greek, we didn't turn Greek because we got the textbooks.

We are as Cypriot as Cypriots can get. We definetely don't take lessosns of Cypriotness from people who have been assimilated by foreign nations and are mostly foreign to our island. Not every island is a separate nation on its own. In fact 99%+ of the inhabited islands are not separate nations on their own. The fact that we are a separate country and not part of the Greek state as the many other Greek islands is not because we are a separate nation, but because this served the interests of the British and the Turks, who forced Cyprus to be a separate country against the will of the vast majority of Cypriots.

[Me Ed]

Apologies Schnauzer,

The "Greeks" on this forum know what I'm talking about.

Citizens from the Hellenic republic have not got a clue when reading the New Testament in its original Greek, whilst the Greek speaking Cypriots can have a much better attempt at it.

[Me Ed]

It is time for change - time to express Cypriotness

You are the only one who needs to change to become Cypriot - if that were possible.

Trial and error is your adopted method since you do not feel what comes naturally to the majority natives of Cyprus who are not ashamed of their Greek language, customs, religion and inheritance. What is more, you do not support the RoC and its chosen alliances but try to ridicule us and our sister EU states - as the Imperialists persist in so doing to sow the seeds of isolation for continued manipulation.

You are too far removed; by birth, continent and culture - and you lack the fortitude required for the native Cypriot identity - which is Greek.

hmmmm...nearly there GG...in piratis terms he simply assimilated to a higher civilisation, just like the then cypriots did...or you think that greeks were planted by god in cyprus...

When the Mycenaeans first came to Cyprus there was not any great Greek civilization yet. The Greek Civilization is one that was gradually created and Cyprus was one of the sources of this civilization.

It is more about the numbers. 3000+ years ago the population of the world was 150 times less than it is today. The total population of Cyprus could not have been more than 5000-7000 people back then. In other words the island was mostly uninhabited. The Myceneans founded new cities on the island and they gradually mixed with those who came to Cyprus before and after them. Since the Greeks were the majority, their language and culture prevailed. The same happened in all territories that eventually became Greek, Cyprus was not the only place to have pre-historic settlements, most places did.

This is how every nation was created (with maybe a few exceptions of very isolated areas). It was a process of constant human migrations and mixing of people and ideas.

The idea that we became Greek only when we were send Greek textbooks is ridiculous, especially when you consider that we are talking about a time that we were under foreign rule. If Greeks had some super powers that could turn people into Greeks just by sending them textbooks then the whole world would be Greek. Similarly the Turks could send us their own textbooks and turn us into Turks. This is of course nonsense. We wanted the Greek textbooks because we are Greek, we didn't turn Greek because we got the textbooks.

We are as Cypriot as Cypriots can get. We definetely don't take lessosns of Cypriotness from people who have been assimilated by foreign nations and are mostly foreign to our island. Not every island is a separate nation on its own. In fact 99%+ of the inhabited islands are not separate nations on their own. The fact that we are a separate country and not part of the Greek state as the many other Greek islands is not because we are a separate nation, but because this served the interests of the British and the Turks, who forced Cyprus to be a separate country against the will of the vast majority of Cypriots.

So the British and Turks forced Cyprus to be a separate country.

Cyprus has ALWAYS been a separate country and I challenge any "Greek" to prove otherwise.

PROOF: after the Turkish Invasion, Greece sent their sons to liberate us - F*ck NO! We are of course on our own,

Challenge to the "Greeks" name a single action since the invasion that you took to liberate us.

[joe]

I realize some of you foreigners need a sense of belonging. May i request you see your neighborhood stripper instead of spewing drivel which has no basis for reality? Next time you take a vacation to New Zealand or the Bahamas or what have you - why not try coming to Cyprus instead and speak to the locals about having their religion, name, language, culture changed because that is what you did when your ancestors migrated. Their reaction would be that you people are crazy. And this new idea about giving our natural resources to Turkey is insane. It will never happen. I have a better chance of becoming a multi-billionaire.

Repulse, what country do you live in - oh, who cares!

You guys need to get a clue ... or a stripper

[kurupetos]

For example, what is the syntax of the Cypriot dialect?

How do you correctly spell the word "Και" in Cypriot form?

By getting educated with a book like this…

Γραμματική της ομιλουμένης κυπριακής διαλέκτου

http://www.biblioasi.gr/product_info.ph ... s_id=69447

The title sounds Greek. So does the .gr website.

all part and parcel of being "greeced" i suppose...

You seem educated. Are you sure you are not a Lyceum graduate?

[repulsewarrior]

I realize some of you foreigners need a sense of belonging. May i request you see your neighborhood stripper instead of spewing drivel which has no basis for reality? Next time you take a vacation to New Zealand or the Bahamas or what have you - why not try coming to Cyprus instead and speak to the locals about having their religion, name, language, culture changed because that is what you did when your ancestors migrated. Their reaction would be that you people are crazy. And this new idea about giving our natural resources to Turkey is insane. It will never happen. I have a better chance of becoming a multi-billionaire.

Repulse, what country do you live in - oh, who cares!

You guys need to get a clue ... or a stripper

...indeed, all i remember of my youth is the "mixed" village i lived in.

...i am fortunate to live in a country where tolerance is a Universal Principal, and where as a Person i can express my distinctiveness without fear.

Cyprus is not a "Greek" island. as Cypriots we can define a way of life where Greeks, Turks, Maronites, and Armenians can be blessed with sustaining a living presence where their daily lives are effected by self-representation, because as Citizens, as Individuals, rather than Persons, they are united in their commitment to the betterment of all Humans. This is Bicommunal, it does not mean tearing the island in two.

[MR-from-NG]

I am going to talk about multiculturalism.

I have grown up in a multicultural and cohesive country and this multiculturalism has enriched us so much. In the past, you would only call countries like the US, Canada, Australia and NZ multicultural, but the fact of the matter is that now, the entire world is becoming multicultural and so is Cyprus, Greece and just about all EU nations, in particular, France, Germany, Italy, Britain et al.

The issue is this! Are we going to change and be all inclusive within our society to include and respect new arrivals as Cypriots and engineer a society such as that which exists in Australia? Or are we going to end up like Greece, with hellfire on the streets and foreigners on the park benches, looking to mug the unsuspecting?

Make no mistake about it, with the ease that people can travel, there will be a time when other cultures will exceed in numbers both GCs and TCs combined. It is already happening. So where will this BBF sit then? Defunct it will be in time, there is no doubt.

So what are we to do?

Well, every islander, that especially includes the GCs and TCs (apologies for using these repulsive labels) NEED to be Cypriots and only Cypriots. This is what will bring us together and destroy the division. But that's not all. Every Brit and every Russian must become Cypriots. We must accept them as Cypriots! We are all Cypriots!

That is the best way Cyprus can prosper in the future, and not end up like Greece. We must engineer a society that is Cypriot. Cypriot will be multicultural, not Greek or Turkish but Cypriot and it will or should integrate others as well, including the thousands of new arrivals who will gain citizenship. Time to expand your minds people and think about the Cyprus you will leave to your kids.

That is the future we need to accept as today's reality. And I dream that Cyprus will do it far better than Australia but for that to happen we all need to be Cypriots, like those living in Australia are Australian (not British) and stop shoving Greek and Turkish flags in the other "communities" faces. There will be a time when communities cease to exist if we become Cypriots!

We need to unite as one, and that can only be achieved as Cypriots. It begins within the education system, and within 1 or 2 generations Cyprus can be a utopia.

Are we willing to grow as a Nation, or are we to stay as we are?

Do we really love Cyprus? If yes, then express your Cypriotness NOW!

Bravo Paphitis, excellent thread. The world is shrinking by the day. Multiculturalism is inevitable, especially with Cyprus having so much going for itself now. I remember England back in the 60s, there was no tolerance for ethnic groups and it was perfectly normal being called a "bloody foreigner" on daily basis. I was involved in a road collision and will never forget a woman telling me I shouldn't even be here.

Look at it now, most tolerant and most accepting nation on the planet (OK, its not perfect but where is perfect?). In Cyprus there is only one way to achieve this and it is by accepting the facts as they are. Once we achieve this then the rest, like integration, tolerance, respect and love will become second nature for us.
Again, excellent thread paphitis.

[boomerang]

It is time for change - time to express Cypriotness

You are the only one who needs to change to become Cypriot - if that were possible.

Trial and error is your adopted method since you do not feel what comes naturally to the majority natives of Cyprus who are not ashamed of their Greek language, customs, religion and inheritance. What is more, you do not support the RoC and its chosen alliances but try to ridicule us and our sister EU states - as the Imperialists persist in so doing to sow the seeds of isolation for continued manipulation.

You are too far removed; by birth, continent and culture - and you lack the fortitude required for the native Cypriot identity - which is Greek.

hmmmm...nearly there GG...in piratis terms he simply assimilated to a higher civilisation, just like the then cypriots did...or you think that greeks were planted by god in cyprus...

When the Mycenaeans first came to Cyprus there was not any great Greek civilization yet. The Greek Civilization is one that was gradually created and Cyprus was one of the sources of this civilization.

It is more about the numbers. 3000+ years ago the population of the world was 150 times less than it is today. The total population of Cyprus could not have been more than 5000-7000 people back then. In other words the island was mostly uninhabited. The Myceneans founded new cities on the island and they gradually mixed with those who came to Cyprus before and after them. Since the Greeks were the majority, their language and culture prevailed. The same happened in all territories that eventually became Greek, Cyprus was not the only place to have pre-historic settlements, most places did.

This is how every nation was created (with maybe a few exceptions of very isolated areas). It was a process of constant human migrations and mixing of people and ideas.

The idea that we became Greek only when we were send Greek textbooks is ridiculous, especially when you consider that we are talking about a time that we were under foreign rule. If Greeks had some super powers that could turn people into Greeks just by sending them textbooks then the whole world would be Greek. Similarly the Turks could send us their own textbooks and turn us into Turks. This is of course nonsense. We wanted the Greek textbooks because we are Greek, we didn't turn Greek because we got the textbooks.

We are as Cypriot as Cypriots can get. We definetely don't take lessosns of Cypriotness from people who have been assimilated by foreign nations and are mostly foreign to our island. Not every island is a separate nation on its own. In fact 99%+ of the inhabited islands are not separate nations on their own. The fact that we are a separate country and not part of the Greek state as the many other Greek islands is not because we are a separate nation, but because this served the interests of the British and the Turks, who forced Cyprus to be a separate country against the will of the vast majority of Cypriots.

you a cypriot?...is this a joke?...

gawd piratis cut the crap who cares what happened 3000 years ago?......we are country in our right...you statement we are greeks is enough to disqualify us from the eu...think about it...

greeks assimilated us via brute forse because history tells us so...you really need a wake up call...

and further more i was part of the cyprus history as i was born in 58....you weren't even born then...you learn history since the 60's via brainwashing...

your generation is full of fairy tales...i for one i am a proud cypriot and there is nothing you can do and say to change that...regardless where i reside...

here is a question for you piratis...from 64 to 74 the roc was exclusively run by gcs...that wasn't enough for you?...you needed to split the country with a coup AGAINST THE MAJORITY OF THE POPULATION?...you blame the british for not allowing a true referendum but here you are with the coup against the majority trying to enforce your will...go figure...

you called the british, fascists, imperialists but you do not critisize greece for doing the same to cyprus?...oh i forgot we are greeks so everything is honky dory...is this it?...fucking hell man, you need to get out more...

We definetely don't take lessosns of Cypriotness from people who have been assimilated by foreign nations

then this applies to you more than to me...

[joe]

I realize some of you foreigners need a sense of belonging. May i request you see your neighborhood stripper instead of spewing drivel which has no basis for reality? Next time you take a vacation to New Zealand or the Bahamas or what have you - why not try coming to Cyprus instead and speak to the locals about having their religion, name, language, culture changed because that is what you did when your ancestors migrated. Their reaction would be that you people are crazy. And this new idea about giving our natural resources to Turkey is insane. It will never happen. I have a better chance of becoming a multi-billionaire.

Repulse, what country do you live in - oh, who cares!

You guys need to get a clue ... or a stripper

...indeed, all i remember of my youth is the "mixed" village i lived in.

...i am fortunate to live in a country where tolerance is a Universal Principal, and where as a Person i can express my distinctiveness without fear.

So? How is that any different from the Republic of Cyprus?

Cyprus is not a "Greek" island. as Cypriots we can define....

What is this "we" business?