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[Bellapais Guy]

I notice that you say that everybody must be a cypriot including russians, I think you missed out mainland turks or dont they count. I also cant understand why people have a hang up about using the words turkish or greek cypriots. Whenever I have been asked by a greek stranger where I am from I respond with Cyprus and straight away they say oh you are cypriot and proceed to talk to me in greek never bothering to ask whether I am turkish or greek. Why do we refer to the small community living in the north Maraonites and not cypriots, are they not cypriots.

For me multiculturism does not work it doesnt work in the UK and it didnt work in Cyprus (if someone can tell me when we lived peacefully) .

[Me Ed]

The Church of Cyprus pre-dates the Church of Greece by around 1500 years.

It is also more senior than the Church of Greece in the Orthodox Church.

Further proof we have very little to do with Greece.

[boomerang]

how can you teach the language in schools "Cypriot"???

This is not a language - this is a dialect. Dialects largely do not exist in written form. Cypriot has never existed and does not exist as a written "language". It is ridiculous and linguistically incorrect to preach that we should ever teach Cypriot Dialect in schools dressed as a language - it is wholly recognised as Greek dialect.

For example, what is the syntax of the Cypriot dialect?

How do you correctly spell the word "Και" in Cypriot form?

Τζιαι?
Τζαι?
Τσιαι?
Τσαι?
Τζε?
Τσε?

The reality is that NONE of the above is correct, because the word is pronounced with a j sound not the Greek Τζ or Τσ ... - This is just one tiny example of the difficulties that occur when you try to write a spoken dialect in written form and dress it as a language. Which it is not.

a non brainer...introduce a couple of characters in th alphabet and bingo you got...

[kurupetos]

For example, what is the syntax of the Cypriot dialect?

How do you correctly spell the word "Και" in Cypriot form?

By getting educated with a book like this…

Γραμματική της ομιλουμένης κυπριακής διαλέκτου

http://www.biblioasi.gr/product_info.ph ... s_id=69447

The title sounds Greek. So does the .gr website.

[boomerang]

For example, what is the syntax of the Cypriot dialect?

How do you correctly spell the word "Και" in Cypriot form?

By getting educated with a book like this…

Γραμματική της ομιλουμένης κυπριακής διαλέκτου

http://www.biblioasi.gr/product_info.ph ... s_id=69447

The title sounds Greek. So does the .gr website.

all part and parcel of being "greeced" i suppose...

[repulsewarrior]

I am going to talk about multiculturalism.

I have grown up in a multicultural and cohesive country and this multiculturalism has enriched us so much. In the past, you would only call countries like the US, Canada, Australia and NZ multicultural, but the fact of the matter is that now, the entire world is becoming multicultural and so is Cyprus, Greece and just about all EU nations, in particular, France, Germany, Italy, Britain et al.

The issue is this! Are we going to change and be all inclusive within our society to include and respect new arrivals as Cypriots and engineer a society such as that which exists in Australia? Or are we going to end up like Greece, with hellfire on the streets and foreigners on the park benches, looking to mug the unsuspecting?

Make no mistake about it, with the ease that people can travel, there will be a time when other cultures will exceed in numbers both GCs and TCs combined. It is already happening. So where will this BBF sit then? Defunct it will be in time, there is no doubt.

So what are we to do?

Well, every islander, that especially includes the GCs and TCs (apologies for using these repulsive labels) NEED to be Cypriots and only Cypriots. This is what will bring us together and destroy the division. But that's not all. Every Brit and every Russian must become Cypriots. We must accept them as Cypriots! We are all Cypriots!

That is the best way Cyprus can prosper in the future, and not end up like Greece. We must engineer a society that is Cypriot. Cypriot will be multicultural, not Greek or Turkish but Cypriot and it will or should integrate others as well, including the thousands of new arrivals who will gain citizenship. Time to expand your minds people and think about the Cyprus you will leave to your kids.

That is the future we need to accept as today's reality. And I dream that Cyprus will do it far better than Australia but for that to happen we all need to be Cypriots, like those living in Australia are Australian (not British) and stop shoving Greek and Turkish flags in the other "communities" faces. There will be a time when communities cease to exist if we become Cypriots!

We need to unite as one, and that can only be achieved as Cypriots. It begins within the education system, and within 1 or 2 generations Cyprus can be a utopia.

Are we willing to grow as a Nation, or are we to stay as we are?

Do we really love Cyprus? If yes, then express your Cypriotness NOW!

...very nice post Paphitis.

[boomerang]

how can you teach the language in schools "Cypriot"???

This is not a language - this is a dialect. Dialects largely do not exist in written form. Cypriot has never existed and does not exist as a written "language". It is ridiculous and linguistically incorrect to preach that we should ever teach Cypriot Dialect in schools dressed as a language - it is wholly recognised as Greek dialect.

For example, what is the syntax of the Cypriot dialect?

How do you correctly spell the word "Και" in Cypriot form?

Τζιαι?
Τζαι?
Τσιαι?
Τσαι?
Τζε?
Τσε?

The reality is that NONE of the above is correct, because the word is pronounced with a j sound not the Greek Τζ or Τσ ... - This is just one tiny example of the difficulties that occur when you try to write a spoken dialect in written form and dress it as a language. Which it is not.

a non brainer...introduce a couple of characters in the alphabet and bingo you got it...

[boomerang]

It is time for change - time to express Cypriotness

You are the only one who needs to change to become Cypriot - if that were possible.

Trial and error is your adopted method since you do not feel what comes naturally to the majority natives of Cyprus who are not ashamed of their Greek language, customs, religion and inheritance. What is more, you do not support the RoC and its chosen alliances but try to ridicule us and our sister EU states - as the Imperialists persist in so doing to sow the seeds of isolation for continued manipulation.

You are too far removed; by birth, continent and culture - and you lack the fortitude required for the native Cypriot identity - which is Greek.

hmmmm...nearly there GG...in piratis terms he simply assimilated to a higher civilisation, just like the then cypriots did...or you think that greeks were planted by god in cyprus...

[repulsewarrior]

It is time for change - time to express Cypriotness

You are the only one who needs to change to become Cypriot - if that were possible.

Trial and error is your adopted method since you do not feel what comes naturally to the majority natives of Cyprus who are not ashamed of their Greek language, customs, religion and inheritance. What is more, you do not support the RoC and its chosen alliances but try to ridicule us and our sister EU states - as the Imperialists persist in so doing to sow the seeds of isolation for continued manipulation.

You are too far removed; by birth, continent and culture - and you lack the fortitude required for the native Cypriot identity - which is Greek.

sorry dear friend, can't agree. if your intention is to promote Greek, then it will require your respect and recognition of the other identities which need to sustain their distinctiveness as well. Cyprus may be Greek, but it is not "Greek". the ethnosphere, as i'm sure you are aware, is in danger of extinction with its threat far greater than what Mankind is doing to our ecosphere, on this island and around the world. and, as i'm sure that you support the ideal that we are Individuals first, we must express this Principal as Persons in a manner where our larger Family holds this demonstration with the esteem of emulating our acts.

Thus, National Assemblies which allow for Majority representation of the Communities we recognise, has as a logical expression with Jurisdictional Territories where each provides for the Minorities amongst them. Under a Cypriot State, all island dwellers find their Rights as Individuals defended, where all Citizens stand united to better Universal Principals (and if necessary why not English in this State's Government as the primary language).

...there is nothing wrong with the words Bicommunal and Bizonal, they have not been defined, and this is up to us.

[Me Ed]

Did you know that Greek speaking Cypriots can read and understand the new testament in the original Greek that the dumbos from Greece?

FACT.