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[kurupetos]

Paphitis, a person who has spent a day or two in Cyprus in his whole life.

Thank you Paphitis for your Cypriotness lessons.

Now go back to the dungeon. GR! is waiting for you.

[Paphitis]

Cyprus has nothing to do with anything Greek or Turkish.

I only feel for my Cypriot customs, language and culture which is Cypriot and Kibrilisi, not Greek or Turkish.

My patriotism to Cyprus can not be questioned since I did not move to Britain but live in a reall friendly country to Cyprus and a true ally since Australia never did harm my island unlike Britain and Greece. And given the distance, being so far removed, then my patriotism can't be questioned since I have my humble abode on my island and live there yearly by traveling half way around the world.

It is you that supports the continued division of Cyprus! I told you before, you are our VP, so you might as well be Turkish and be done with it!

Will you be moving to Turkey next?

[Schnauzer]

Yes, I envisage going back to the bonds that existed prior to any upheaval, but I also envisage integrating others that have and will arrive in Cyprus. As to deteriorating your standards, well that will depend on many factors, but my experience is that our multicultural has enriched us because our society has been engineered in a way that integrates everyone.

Integrate because if you do not then you will end up with all sorts of problems!

It would appear that (in many areas) you and I are in agreement although I (for what it is worth) still maintain that the process of integration is not quite as easily achieved as your comments would suggest.

As to 'Language' differences, I can see no reason why 'Cypriotness' should not embrace both since such was the case for many untroubled years, one could even envisage a future Cyprus as a 'Multilingual' society providing the original characteristics of the Cypriot culture remained intact.

What is WRONG with the concept of integration is the fact that it is being foisted upon Cyprus rather than invited, therefore, such integration will always be met with suspicion by those who are the original inhabitants, quite justifiably so (imho).

There is little point in making comparisons between what has been achieved in Australia (or elsewhere) in the Antipodean regions since, in the case of Ozz, there was no contest when it started out as a 'Multicultural' society and good luck to it.

Making comparisons with the US or UK however, is completely different since both of those nations have shown signs of great distress due to their policies on integration, they are greatly responsible for the situation which now exists in Cyprus, they do not represent a culture which Cyprus should emulate and their 'Hidden Agendas' may well be of further detriment to us all.

A clear example of 'Forced Integration' is currently taking place in Israel, strangely enough, there seems to be a great deal of acceptance of the methods used there by the 'Super Powers' (aforementioned) which obviously gives rise to the suspicions of those similarly under the threat of 'Forced Integration'.

Many may not notice it, those that DO, are inclined to view 'Multiculturalism' with the gravest doubts. (imho)

[Paphitis]

Yes I agree. There is no point comparing Cyprus to Australia or whoever else.

Multiculturalism had a rather bad start in the new world as well. Personally, I think it comes down to education and given the fact that in my opinion at least, there will be massive population movements across the EU, then we need to make the best of the situation and integrate others into our society. I fear the ramifications if this is not done properly.

Others have merely proven that it can be done. And we need to be respectful to others. We are not racists are we?

[Schnauzer]

Yes I agree. There is no point comparing Cyprus to Australia or whoever else.

Others have merely proven that it can be done. And we need to be respectful to others. We are not racists are we?

Those that have proven that it can be done, may well be those that have been successfully infiltrated PRIOR to the processes of integration (through the back door perhaps?) since one cannot rule out the chicanery which precedes such processes.

As to Racism, certainly not, although if one wishes to be entirely truthful and honest, the actions of certain nations currently engaged in various plots and schemes to establish themselves as superiors in locations where they are not welcome, could well give rise to a certain emergence of both racial and antisemitic feelings both within and without the affected areas. (imho)

[Paphitis]

Yes I agree. There is no point comparing Cyprus to Australia or whoever else.

Others have merely proven that it can be done. And we need to be respectful to others. We are not racists are we?

Those that have proven that it can be done, may well be those that have been successfully infiltrated PRIOR to the processes of integration (through the back door perhaps?) since one cannot rule out the chicanery which precedes such processes.

As to Racism, certainly not, although if one wishes to be entirely truthful and honest, the actions of certain nations currently engaged in various plots and schemes to establish themselves as superiors in locations where they are not welcome, could well give rise to a certain emergence of both racial and antisemitic feelings both within and without the affected areas. (imho)

Infiltrated by whom?

Actually, you mention the US, and I truly believe that they have quite a successful model, and achieved much with regard to sustaining a cohesive society but there are far better examples, and Cyprus may one day need to look at how it can integrate other cultures within our own. Firstly, may the division end, and then may all others feel a part of Cyprus as well.

There may be little choice in the matter, and that applies to many nations not just Cyprus!

It is all about uniting people, not dividing them into sub groups and ghettos.

[Schnauzer]

Yes I agree. There is no point comparing Cyprus to Australia or whoever else.

Others have merely proven that it can be done. And we need to be respectful to others. We are not racists are we?

Those that have proven that it can be done, may well be those that have been successfully infiltrated PRIOR to the processes of integration (through the back door perhaps?) since one cannot rule out the chicanery which precedes such processes.

As to Racism, certainly not, although if one wishes to be entirely truthful and honest, the actions of certain nations currently engaged in various plots and schemes to establish themselves as superiors in locations where they are not welcome, could well give rise to a certain emergence of both racial and antisemitic feelings both within and without the affected areas. (imho)

Infiltrated by whom?

Actually, you mention the US, and I truly believe that they have quite a successful model, and achieved much with regard to sustaining a cohesive society but there are far better examples, and Cyprus may one day need to look at how it can integrate other cultures within our own. Firstly, may the division end, and then may all others feel a part of Cyprus as well.

There may be little choice in the matter, and that applies to many nations not just Cyprus!

It is all about uniting people, not dividing them into sub groups and ghettos.

Infiltrated by whom?........... (The Usual)

That you should describe the US as being 'Cohesive' is quite astonishing (imho) since it's past history and current situation is such that it represents almost EVERYTHING a decent society should avoid like the plague.

Small wonder that the US is regarded as "The Great Satan" by various nations in the Middle and Far East, a brief visit in some of the areas where "Satan's Handiwork" is still being undertaken at the behest of his minions, or perhaps a tour of those areas where they have had their arses kicked out (never to be admitted of course) might give you cause to select some other less tainted society to present as an example.

God help Cyprus if it ever DOES emulate the US, such emulation has already destroyed the once respected society of 'Great Britain', the 'Political Leaders' of that nation having foolishly allowed many negative and damaging American standards to influence the behaviour of their own population. (imho)

[AEKTZIS]

how can you teach the language in schools "Cypriot"???

This is not a language - this is a dialect. Dialects largely do not exist in written form. Cypriot has never existed and does not exist as a written "language". It is ridiculous and linguistically incorrect to preach that we should ever teach Cypriot Dialect in schools dressed as a language - it is wholly recognised as Greek dialect.

For example, what is the syntax of the Cypriot dialect?

How do you correctly spell the word "Και" in Cypriot form?

Τζιαι?
Τζαι?
Τσιαι?
Τσαι?
Τζε?
Τσε?

The reality is that NONE of the above is correct, because the word is pronounced with a j sound not the Greek Τζ or Τσ ... - This is just one tiny example of the difficulties that occur when you try to write a spoken dialect in written form and dress it as a language. Which it is not.

[Get Real!]

For example, what is the syntax of the Cypriot dialect?

How do you correctly spell the word "Και" in Cypriot form?

By getting educated with a book like this…

Γραμματική της ομιλουμένης κυπριακής διαλέκτου

http://www.biblioasi.gr/product_info.ph ... s_id=69447



PS: The great Cypriot poets Dimitris Libertis and Vasilis Mihaelides would hang you by the balls if they were alive today!

[humanist]

Paphitis, I really don't think the issue here is multiculturalism. Most Cypriots are used to living around and with people from different cultures.

The issue of the Cypro is all about a few individuals from the Turkish speaking Cypriot community who have lost focus and have become power hungry that control the situation for their own gain.

It really is bad planning on behalf of TC leadership who cannot accept 35 years of UN stance on the matter, they are not going to get a partitioned cyprus and call it 'trnc' permanently and instead of coming to the table with a constructive solution they live the Turkish dream in self imposed apartheid.