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Re: Brave New Cyprus.

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:39 pm

Hermes wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:All agricultural and industrial equipment was handed over to them and they were left to manage their own affairs. The result exactly fulfilled all the theoretical predictions. The land wasn't properly worked; there were strikes in all the factories; the laws were set at naught, orders disobeyed; all the people detailed for a spell of low-grade work were perpetually intriguing for high-grade jobs, and all the people with high-grade jobs were counter-intriguing at all costs to stay where they were. Within six years they were having a first-class civil war. When nineteen out of the twenty-two thousand had been killed, the survivors unanimously petitioned the World Controllers to resume the government of the island. Which they did. And that was the end of the only society of Alphas that the world has ever seen."


GR is right. A prophetic account of the Anatolian shambles in the north. Incredible really. Nice find ...


That's an interesting interpretation; that this satire can reflect the present-day scenario of ethnic cleansing and colonisation of the north by 'Turks' who are the (self-considered) superiors or 'Alphas'.

Huxley was considered an intellectual, and personally, I found the allegories in this book quite demanding. Huxley doesn't draw on any ideas, nor use phrases or terms lightly and the novel is loaded with meaning based on concerns about the price civilisation pays, and how it pays, for forgoing truth for happiness. Real insights, themes, into the worries that must have been circulating among the learned liberals of his time. I had been musing as to why he used the name 'Mustapha' for the World Controller of Western Europe. Which is why I reeled upon reading of this 'Experiment in Cyprus' and pondered on what news must have been circulating as to Cyprus' future, back in the 1930s.

Certainly the prevailing attitude, in Imperial Britain, must have been one of total ownership of Cyprus to "do" with as they wished ...
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Re: Brave New Cyprus.

Postby Get Real! » Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:44 pm

kurupetos wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
kurupetos wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:... the voices inside his head.

Yes I have a brain. :wink:


You better start using it then! :lol:

I will ask GR! to show me the instructions. :lol:

If it’s still under warranty, in your case its best to get a replacement… :?
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Re: Brave New Cyprus.

Postby Schnauzer » Tue Jan 24, 2012 4:18 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Certainly the prevailing attitude, in Imperial Britain, must have been one of total ownership of Cyprus to "do" with as they wished ...


And if the idea of 'OWNERSHIP' fails, there are always the options of either dividing it or, alternatively, destroying it altogether. :idea:
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Re: Brave New Cyprus.

Postby bill cobbett » Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:58 pm

Get Real! wrote:
kurupetos wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
kurupetos wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:... the voices inside his head.

Yes I have a brain. :wink:


You better start using it then! :lol:

I will ask GR! to show me the instructions. :lol:

If it’s still under warranty, in your case its best to get a replacement… :?


Reh Toffoui... you're in desperate need of a read of some other works by Huxley...

"The Doors of Perception" and "Heaven and Hell" ... expand your mind a bit. ... :shock:
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Re: Brave New Cyprus.

Postby kurupetos » Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:53 pm

Billie, here's something better...

"Ballantine's Finest Blended Scotch Whisky" by George Ballantine and Son :D
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Re: Brave New Cyprus.

Postby Paphitis » Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:33 am

Schnauzer wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Certainly the prevailing attitude, in Imperial Britain, must have been one of total ownership of Cyprus to "do" with as they wished ...


And if the idea of 'OWNERSHIP' fails, there are always the options of either dividing it or, alternatively, destroying it altogether. :idea:


We bought it all on ourselves and mostly as a result of a misguided attachment to Greece when it was incomprehensible to let Cyprus go.

If we had some patience, we would be granted independance in 1964 along with Malta.

The Brits are no where as near as unreasonable as Greek Nationalist crazies like those above. They are far better than them, far smarter, more polite and better organized.
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Re: Brave New Cyprus.

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:38 am

Paphitis wrote:
We bought it all on ourselves and mostly as a result of a misguided attachment to Greece when it was incomprehensible to let Cyprus go.

If we had some patience, we would be granted independance in 1964 along with Malta.

The Brits are no where as near as unreasonable as Greek Nationalist crazies like those above. They are far better than them, far smarter, more polite and better organized.


Who and whom does this "we", to which you clinically refer, encompass?

Since you were not born in Cyprus nor live, nor lived, in Cyprus, and from the smug patriotism to Australia and its many riches which you exalt, it is a given that you are never likely to, ever, live in Cyprus. Therefore, any attempts, of yours, to represent the interests of Cyprus are akin to those of an impostor; and your opinions are, at best, not even worth the weight of those of the average Brit-on-the-street who happens, by virtue of geography, to live nearer to Cyprus than you do!

Stay out of European affairs if you were not born in Europe nor lived nor live here.
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Re: Brave New Cyprus.

Postby boomerang » Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:46 am

hehe...you don't remember that the gcs run the country exclusively from 63 to 74?...and that wasn't enough we wanted enosis, hence the coup and hence the invasion...double enosis is what did the trick and like lambs to slaughter we got slaughtered...

if there was no coup there would not be an invasion and the roc run by gcs to this very date...with the tcs minority rights, not that there is anything wrong with minority rights...as long as human rights, rule of law and democracy existed...

if the state was run exclusively by gcs why and we had a pseudo enosis anyway with out turkey interfeering, why on earth risk the lot?...marshmellows for brains...

if the aim then was to screw the tcs, the target was reached...but that wasn't enough was it GG?...stupidity took over didn't it?...

so when paphitis says "we" he means us the gcs...because we had the upper hand at the time...
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Re: Brave New Cyprus.

Postby Paphitis » Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:59 am

The we refers to anyone who saw it fit to at a very high risk game against forces beyond their comprehension and then sign a deal with the devil itself by agreeing to double enosis. We played a high risk game and got burnt and if we had an ounce of patience we would have been granted everything we ever wanted.

Cyprus is MY country, and anyone who undermines it, whether Greek or Turkish is MY enemy. Cyprus is the be all and end all for me, unlike yourself who is quick to slander Britain as the devil and eternal enemy and yet you live there. How stupid can someone be?

Oh, don't be so sure about me not living in Cyprus one day. For me, Cyprus is the precious jewel in my crown, and I come and go as I please, probably more than you. It is My home sweet home, but I will not explain myself to a silly twat!
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Re: Brave New Cyprus.

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:05 pm

boomerang wrote:hehe...you don't remember that the gcs run the country exclusively from 63 to 74?...and that wasn't enough we wanted enosis, hence the coup and hence the invasion...double enosis is what did the trick and like lambs to slaughter we got slaughtered...

if there was no coup there would not be an invasion and the roc run by gcs to this very date...

if the state was run exclusively by gcs why and you we had a pseudo enosis anyway with out turkey interfeering, why on earth risk the lot?...marshmellows for brains...

if the aim then was to screw the tcs, the target was reached...but that wasn't enough was it GG...stupidity took over didn't it?...

so when paphitis says "we" he means us the gcs...because we had the upper hand at the time...



Sorry, Boom, but you're another one suffering with amnesia to Turkey's perpetual invasion attempts. And the coup was not about 'enosis' but removal of Makarios by the fascists (GC-fascists, Greek-fascists, Brits, Turks, TCs and Yanks!).

Still, some will use any excuse to mouth off their Imperialist views from afar, in the guise of very tenuous links to Cyprus, not born or tied to the historical land, except by some newly found interest based on its recent potential monetary wealth.
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