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[Kikapu]

Can I believe my eyes Kikapo will now settle for a "good" plan that is NOT perfect

Perhaps he should have got stuck into making the AP as good as he could have made it and saved you the trouble

Well, at least you admit that the AP was not a good plan, but a bad one, at least to one side!

How, when he had morally corrupted people like Blair, Bush, Annan and Verheugen at the time when the USA was at 2 wars needing the use of Turkish territory and Annan going up for re-election while his son was up to no good in Africa all playing the "you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" game with each other. With these enemies of Cyprus at that time, Erdogan did not have to negotiate a good plan whether Papadopoulos ask for one or not. Does one really needed to negotiate to convince Erdogan for Cyprus to have basic Human Rights, Democracy and International laws in a settlement. Even though those basic rights are still not offered by Turkey today despite the RoC being in the EU, so what chance he would have offered them before the RoC was in the EU. No, Erdogan just negotiated the AP, which he was very proud of and in return he got the Referendum results he deserved.

Welcome back by the way.

[zan]

Well, at least you admit that the AP was not a good plan, but a bad one, at least to one side!

How, when he had morally corrupted people like Blair, Bush, Annan and Verheugen at the time when the USA was at 2 wars needing the use of Turkish territory and Annan going up for re-election while his son was up to no good in Africa all playing the "you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" game with each other. With these enemies of Cyprus at that time, Erdogan did not have to negotiate a good plan whether Papadopoulos ask for one or not. Does one really needed to negotiate to convince Erdogan for Cyprus to have basic Human Rights, Democracy and International laws in a settlement. Even though those basic rights are still not offered by Turkey today despite the RoC being in the EU, so what chance he would have offered them before the RoC was in the EU. No, Erdogan just negotiated the AP, which he was very proud of and in return he got the Referendum results he deserved.

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You DO realise that Denktas said NO to the AP as well dont you Was he concerned for the GCs You need to think your "theories" through mate because if we follow your line of "thinking" then he was a true cypriot

[Kikapu]

Well, at least you admit that the AP was not a good plan, but a bad one, at least to one side!

How, when he had morally corrupted people like Blair, Bush, Annan and Verheugen at the time when the USA was at 2 wars needing the use of Turkish territory and Annan going up for re-election while his son was up to no good in Africa all playing the "you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" game with each other. With these enemies of Cyprus at that time, Erdogan did not have to negotiate a good plan whether Papadopoulos ask for one or not. Does one really needed to negotiate to convince Erdogan for Cyprus to have basic Human Rights, Democracy and International laws in a settlement. Even though those basic rights are still not offered by Turkey today despite the RoC being in the EU, so what chance he would have offered them before the RoC was in the EU. No, Erdogan just negotiated the AP, which he was very proud of and in return he got the Referendum results he deserved.

Welcome back by the way.

You DO realise that Denktas said NO to the AP as well dont you Was he concerned for the GCs You need to think your "theories" through mate because if we follow your line of "thinking" then he was a true cypriot

I thought I explained myself very clearly as to why Denktash said "NO". You might want to read my post again....slowly this time!

[zan]

Nope! Cant see Denktas in there anywhere

[Kikapu]

Nope! Cant see Denktas in there anywhere

Try again!

As for the secret meetings between Papadopoulos and Denktash & Son, how can this be a "fact" if it was a secret meeting, unless ALL three actors in this secret meeting said that's what happened and that Papandopolous told Denktas & Son of his intentions that he was going to cry and say OXI, OXI, OXI to the AP. But lets just say for the sake of argument that what you said are FACTS to the best of your knowledge, then how do you explain Denktash saying NO to the AP when Turkey was saying YES to the AP, and if Turkey knew what Papadopoulos was up to, which was for him to say OXI to the AP, surely the most logical thing for Denktash to do, was to support Turkey's YES position, because in the end, he would have been guaranteed an OXI vote promised to him supposedly by Papadopoulos, but Denktash instead said NO to the AP. So if what you are saying it's true that Papadopoulos already gave Denktash & Son forewarning that he was going to OXI the AP, in that case Denktash really wasn't saying NO to the AP because he didn't like the AP, but because he knew that the AP would get an OXI vote from the GCs. So by Denktash supporting a NO vote was in fact killing two birds with one stone, which were, a) he would not be seen as backing a losing Referendum which he would lose face, and b) he would not raise any concerns with the GCs, that if Denktash backs the AP, then it must be good for the TCs and bad for the GCs. In the end, Denktash walked away as the "wise man" and Erdogan walked away with an egg on his face. Why would Turkey and Denktash differ on the AP? Could it be that if both Denktash and Turkey actually supported the same AP in their hearts, but not in public just so not to give reasons to many GC Denktash haters solid reasons to OXI the AP. Common sense would dictate that, would it not?

[zan]

Nope! Cant see Denktas in there anywhere

Try again!

As for the secret meetings between Papadopoulos and Denktash & Son, how can this be a "fact" if it was a secret meeting, unless ALL three actors in this secret meeting said that's what happened and that Papandopolous told Denktas & Son of his intentions that he was going to cry and say OXI, OXI, OXI to the AP. But lets just say for the sake of argument that what you said are FACTS to the best of your knowledge, then how do you explain Denktash saying NO to the AP when Turkey was saying YES to the AP, and if Turkey knew what Papadopoulos was up to, which was for him to say OXI to the AP, surely the most logical thing for Denktash to do, was to support Turkey's YES position, because in the end, he would have been guaranteed an OXI vote promised to him supposedly by Papadopoulos, but Denktash instead said NO to the AP. So if what you are saying it's true that Papadopoulos already gave Denktash & Son forewarning that he was going to OXI the AP, in that case Denktash really wasn't saying NO to the AP because he didn't like the AP, but because he knew that the AP would get an OXI vote from the GCs. So by Denktash supporting a NO vote was in fact killing two birds with one stone, which were, a) he would not be seen as backing a losing Referendum which he would lose face, and b) he would not raise any concerns with the GCs, that if Denktash backs the AP, then it must be good for the TCs and bad for the GCs. In the end, Denktash walked away as the "wise man" and Erdogan walked away with an egg on his face. Why would Turkey and Denktash differ on the AP? Could it be that if both Denktash and Turkey actually supported the same AP in their hearts, but not in public just so not to give reasons to many GC Denktash haters solid reasons to OXI the AP. Common sense would dictate that, would it not?

Nope! Still cant see Denktas anywhere!!!! The guy you mention above does not exist....Again! Think it through!!!! Strapadickolous lost a lot of ground by saying no, with the international comunity and so did Denktas. The Denktas I know would not have done that for all the Helim in Cyprus. Exact opposite to the crap you wrote....If you are going to supply us with endless amounts of bullshit, then please make it top grade buffalo.

[Kikapu]

Nope! Cant see Denktas in there anywhere

Try again!

As for the secret meetings between Papadopoulos and Denktash & Son, how can this be a "fact" if it was a secret meeting, unless ALL three actors in this secret meeting said that's what happened and that Papandopolous told Denktas & Son of his intentions that he was going to cry and say OXI, OXI, OXI to the AP. But lets just say for the sake of argument that what you said are FACTS to the best of your knowledge, then how do you explain Denktash saying NO to the AP when Turkey was saying YES to the AP, and if Turkey knew what Papadopoulos was up to, which was for him to say OXI to the AP, surely the most logical thing for Denktash to do, was to support Turkey's YES position, because in the end, he would have been guaranteed an OXI vote promised to him supposedly by Papadopoulos, but Denktash instead said NO to the AP. So if what you are saying it's true that Papadopoulos already gave Denktash & Son forewarning that he was going to OXI the AP, in that case Denktash really wasn't saying NO to the AP because he didn't like the AP, but because he knew that the AP would get an OXI vote from the GCs. So by Denktash supporting a NO vote was in fact killing two birds with one stone, which were, a) he would not be seen as backing a losing Referendum which he would lose face, and b) he would not raise any concerns with the GCs, that if Denktash backs the AP, then it must be good for the TCs and bad for the GCs. In the end, Denktash walked away as the "wise man" and Erdogan walked away with an egg on his face. Why would Turkey and Denktash differ on the AP? Could it be that if both Denktash and Turkey actually supported the same AP in their hearts, but not in public just so not to give reasons to many GC Denktash haters solid reasons to OXI the AP. Common sense would dictate that, would it not?

Nope! Still cant see Denktas anywhere!!!! The guy you mention above does not exist....Again! Think it through!!!! Strapadickolous lost a lot of ground by saying no, with the international comunity and so did Denktas. The Denktas I know would not have done that for all the Helim in Cyprus. Exact opposite to the crap you wrote....If you are going to supply us with endless amounts of bullshit, then please make it top grade buffalo.

You are letting your emotional feelings for Denktash to cloud your common senses!