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[Maximus]

you have your rights now and then some, the Greek Cypriots are ghettoised to the south part of the island while you sleep in their beds and live in their homes in the North. You can live, work and travel around Europe using their passports and even go south to the ghetto and work. This ghetto has the potential to be the wealthiest per capita in europe over the next 10-20 years. When are you going to provide for the Greek Cypriots then? thats a lot of mouths to feed.

[Viewpoint]

you have your rights now and then some, the Greek Cypriots are ghettoised to the south part of the island while you sleep in their beds and live in their homes in the North. You can live, work and travel around Europe using their passports and even go south to the ghetto and work. This ghetto has the potential to be the wealthiest per capita in europe over the next 10-20 years. When are you going to provide for the Greek Cypriots then? thats a lot of mouths to feed.

What the hell are you talking about?

[Pyrpolizer]

Paphitis whilst your right in that the "trnc' is not ever going to be recognised primarily because it is not in Turkey's best interests otherwise Turkey would have supported more staunchly a recognistion plan, they have kept it this way to maintain army bases in Cyprus essentially. They are economically disadvantaging not only themselves and really who cares but more concern for me the fact they are disadvantaging other Cypriots from prospering.

Humanist, if the "trnc" was ever to be recognized, which it won't as it's just physically impossible, then they would have permanent military bases in Cyprus but as it stands, they have bases through illegal occupation, and so their foothold on the island can only be temporary, it is certainly not a permanent dejure state of affairs.

What they are effectively doing, and VP even admits this when he tells us that he/she is open to a resolution, is holding us to ransom at gunpoint in the hope that they can effectively change the state of affairs of the island and derive racist advantages for themselves at the expense of all Cypriots, and that now includes a vast British and Russian community who are now being nationalized as Cypriots as well, and hence they too have a right to exist on the island as equal citizens to anyone, including the Latins, Maronites, TCs and whoever else. They are seeking to disadvantage all other Cypriots by holding us to ransom, and since that ransom will not be paid, they have only disadvantaged themselves for the last 37 years.

The idea of 2 ethnic communities as two political power blocks is outdated and a thing of the past. It does not stand legally or morally.

The total EU citizens living in Cyprus according to last census is 112,424. More than the real Kibrislis...
I agree with you this bi-community thing is outdated nonsense. However 37% of our country is under occupation by Turkey because of that outdated nonsense. Go figure

[Maximus]

you have your rights now and then some, the Greek Cypriots are ghettoised to the south part of the island while you sleep in their beds and live in their homes in the North. You can live, work and travel around Europe using their passports and even go south to the ghetto and work. This ghetto has the potential to be the wealthiest per capita in europe over the next 10-20 years. When are you going to provide for the Greek Cypriots then? thats a lot of mouths to feed

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What the hell are you talking about?

quoted for truth, you say you want to be equal partners, then you have to provide equal share to make up the whole. Each Turkish Cypriot must provide for 4 Greek Cypriots and 4 Greek cypriots must provide for a single Turkish Cypriot. Yeah thats right?

[Viewpoint]

I have a better idea why dont the GCs provide for themselves and the TCs likewise.

[Maximus]

I have a better idea why dont the GCs provide for themselves and the TCs likewise.

Then why would the GC need you as an equal partner?

[Viewpoint]

I have a better idea why dont the GCs provide for themselves and the TCs likewise.

Then why would the GC need you as an equal partner?

Equal as in we both have have right to share the island you in the south and me in the north...you can have an equal share of my wealth and I of yours...how does that sound?

[Pyrpolizer]

This equal partner thing is just another illusion.
Cyprus is presumably an equal partner in the EU.
Analyze that and you will see how "equal" we are. We are actually nothing, we just share the same principles of free trade and movement as all EU countries, but on the political and economic issues we are just nothing, we were not even allowed to use our veto right Vs Turkey during T-Paps days...

If you are a numerical minority you just accept the fact and get the best you can under the circumstances. It is a combination of your numbers and your ECONOMIC POWER will give you any degree of actual political power in the end. The real Kibrislis today are only 10% of the total, their economic power is less than 5%. The only thing they have is their holding of our properties with the help of the Turkish Army, but sooner or later they have to exchange that if there will be a solution.
Exchange it what what though? With an artificial illusion?

[Viewpoint]

This equal partner thing is just another illusion.
Cyprus is presumably an equal partner in the EU.
Analyze that and you will see how "equal" we are. We are actually nothing, we just share the same principles of free trade and movement as all EU countries, but on the political and economic issues we are just nothing, we were not even allowed to use our veto right Vs Turkey during T-Paps days...

If you are a numerical minority you just accept the fact and get the best you can under the circumstances. It is a combination of your numbers and your ECONOMIC POWER will give you any degree of actual political power in the end. The real Kibrislis today are only 10% of the total, their economic power is less than 5%. The only thing they have is their holding of our properties with the help of the Turkish Army, but sooner or later they have to exchange that if there will be a solution.
Exchange it what what though? With an artificial illusion?

Exactly, exchange it wıth what? minority rights in a GC state?

[boomerang]

This equal partner thing is just another illusion.
Cyprus is presumably an equal partner in the EU.
Analyze that and you will see how "equal" we are. We are actually nothing, we just share the same principles of free trade and movement as all EU countries, but on the political and economic issues we are just nothing, we were not even allowed to use our veto right Vs Turkey during T-Paps days...

If you are a numerical minority you just accept the fact and get the best you can under the circumstances. It is a combination of your numbers and your ECONOMIC POWER will give you any degree of actual political power in the end. The real Kibrislis today are only 10% of the total, their economic power is less than 5%. The only thing they have is their holding of our properties with the help of the Turkish Army, but sooner or later they have to exchange that if there will be a solution.
Exchange it what what though? With an artificial illusion?

in a unitary state the minority actually holds the real power...everyone jumps through hoops to appease them...take a look at the US...individual votes count but not as much as blocks...and block voters are the winner deciders...

but unfortunetely i also acknowledge sharing this with someone stuck in the 15th century is a non starter...so pyro save our breath...

unification will only happen when the gas comes out and the tcs start counting their losses, unless they think they will be getting bags of money on monthly basis over the green line...what ever turkey told you is a lie...there will be no money crossing the green line unless there is a settlement, a european settlement...

I remember yFred telling us no way the TA will allow itl...but turkey was told to take a hike...now for certain turkey cannot interfere, oil/gas will be extracted and so far only the south will benefit enormously while the tcs will be looking...how long the salivating will last, 2 couple of years the most...i reckon...

there will be a stage when the tcs will be competing with for jobs with other europeans as they will flood the roc...in the lost 2 years their perceived benefits will be dimished to a fraction and as times drags there won't be a benefit...

there is already a difference of living between the south and the north...imagine when the oil/gas starts kicking in?...

another point i seemed to come accross from the turks and tcs the trust issue...now if you do not trust people would you put your own health/safety in their hands by visiting the hospitals, the enemy?...or is it when it comes for free the trust issue is thrown out the window?...is this trust the same from the turks?...the tcs only trust the turks because they are bankrolling them and the momenent they stop or say they stop all of a sudden they don't trust the turks?...