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georgios100

Yes, get rid of Turkey... why do we need her? We are both Cypriots... right?

This does not mean we will treat each other right, you are harboring a revenge seeking mentality how will stop you if you are free to do as you wish?

The TC side voted "yes" to the Annan plan... was this plan concrete enough for you? Apparently it was, you approved it!

And you rejected it, that the chasm that exists between us.

Advantages and disadvantages... you wrote. Nothing is perfect but it's a start... better than NOTHING.

So you to have nothing to offer that will impress and persuade us to unite.

It's not that complicated but both sides make it hard so the politicians keep themselves busy, making money, from our hard earned taxed Euros.
The only concrete solution I see, is the one that will allow room for future revisions, addendum and general adjustments for unforeseen issues to arise during the implementation. Sort of trial and error. And yeah, not all Cypriots will be satisfied... it's obvious... but dragging this on and on, is not the way forward.

But this allows the majority the opportunity to manipulate and change matters to their own advantage this is totally unacceptable to us we need to know exactly what we are getting into the risks and benefits involved.

Cyprus has a lot of minorities... so does Canada, USA, France, Britain etc... so what? Do minorities get treated badly... of course not. I don't understand what is the issue here. You are a minority, just like everybody else as I mentioned above... digest it and move on. Don't cry about it.

We are not just some minority you have to get this into your brains, numbers wise we may be less than you but this does not mean we have any less rights as a community we are equal partners as per our internationally recognized agreement which has your signature on it.

[humanist]

And you rejected it, that the chasm that exists between us.

We rejected a racist based model of a plan. That will have discriminated the majority of Cypriots. We also had the right to reject it just like you did. You chose to accept it because it discriminated positively for the TC community.

That s the end of the AP next time you can vote No to make an even stance if that is as far as your narrow minded mentality takes you.

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And you rejected it, that the chasm that exists between us.

We rejected a racist based model of a plan. That will have discriminated the majority of Cypriots. We also had the right to reject it just like you did. You chose to accept it because it discriminated positively for the TC community.

That s the end of the AP next time you can vote No to make an even stance if that is as far as your narrow minded mentality takes you.

I was trying to explain the chasm between us and why we cannot just take leap of faith into the arms of GC and hope for the best, dont work that way for we dont trust you one iota.

Your point being????

[wyoming cowboy]

Vp said
as a community we are equal partners as per our internationally recognized agreement which has your signature on it.

show me where in the ROC constitution that your people signed and walked out on, it states that the Gc and Tc are equal partners and have equal say in the running of Cyprus....when your people were given 30 percent of the congress it shows that you accepted the role of a minority......even though you were only 18 percent and now probably only 8 percent....

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Vp said
as a community we are equal partners as per our internationally recognized agreement which has your signature on it.

show me where in the ROC constitution that your people signed and walked out on, it states that the Gc and Tc are equal partners and have equal say in the running of Cyprus....when your people were given 30 percent of the congress it shows that you accepted the role of a minority......even though you were only 18 percent and now probably only 8 percent....

You are correct about the 70/30 balance but the fact that your constitution gives us veto rights makes us equal. Why do you not want to be equals? is it to get the upper hand?

[Kikapu]

Vp said
as a community we are equal partners as per our internationally recognized agreement which has your signature on it.

show me where in the ROC constitution that your people signed and walked out on, it states that the Gc and Tc are equal partners and have equal say in the running of Cyprus....when your people were given 30 percent of the congress it shows that you accepted the role of a minority......even though you were only 18 percent and now probably only 8 percent....

You are correct about the 70/30 balance but the fact that your constitution gives us veto rights makes us equal. Why do you not want to be equals? is it to get the upper hand?

A veto vote does not make it equal. It makes it unequal, since a veto vote would give the user a 100% voting power.

Btw, you keep saying to the GCs, "your constitution, your constitution". If it's their constitution, what gives you the right to demand anything from the RoC, which the RoC has sovereignty over 100% of the island, and which you don't want to be part of it?

If it's their constitution, they will do what ever they want with their "own constitution", can't they?

Oh, Ive forgot. They are doing what they want with it. So much for your "partnership and veto vote" power that you claim to have. Not even the UN, EU, UK, Greece and USA are making any demands about any partnership or veto vote along with guarantor powers in the BBF for a settlement since the failed AP in 2004. Can you accept the fact that Denktash settled for BBF without these "rights" that you claim to have in the RoC's constitution, specially when you don't even want to be part of it.

[georgios100]

A leap of faith is what is required here.

If Crhistofias and Eroglu do come up with a settlement which is then ratified by a referendum, well, it's a huge leap of faith to implement the agreement. Both sides will be put to the test to unify the island, not an easy thing to do. I see a lot of obstacles over the coming years to make sure this settlement is proven fair, just and most of all practical to serve it's people.

How do we get there? Believe it or not, talks, agreement and referendum is actually the "easy" part. The hard part is the implementation.
So, let's do the "easy" part first... and take it from there.

Do we have politicians with balls to complete the "easy" part? Well, from our side, I think we do. We are ready.
What about your part? Which one of your politicians has the balls to sign (sidelining the deep state)? Who?

You see, the majority of the ordinary TC population wants the solution. It's elected politicians want it too!
Unfortunately, these elected politicians are not leaders, not by a long shot. Just puppets. No guts...

The solution: The TC population must up rise and demonstrate to get what they want. It's the only way.

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A leap of faith is what is required here.

If Crhistofias and Eroglu do come up with a settlement which is then ratified by a referendum, well, it's a huge leap of faith to implement the agreement. Both sides will be put to the test to unify the island, not an easy thing to do. I see a lot of obstacles over the coming years to make sure this settlement is proven fair, just and most of all practical to serve it's people.

How do we get there? Believe it or not, talks, agreement and referendum is actually the "easy" part. The hard part is the implementation.
So, let's do the "easy" part first... and take it from there.

Do we have politicians with balls to complete the "easy" part? Well, from our side, I think we do. We are ready.
What about your part? Which one of your politicians has the balls to sign (sidelining the deep state)? Who?

You see, the majority of the ordinary TC population wants the solution. It's elected politicians want it too!
Unfortunately, these elected politicians are not leaders, not by a long shot. Just puppets. No guts...

The solution: The TC population must up rise and demonstrate to get what they want. It's the only way.

Why do any people up rise? why should we up rise for something we do not trust? if there was a clear plan which won the TCs winning them over illustrating that union is far better than what we have today. Otherwise nothing will happen TCs will only take on the bull by the horns and fight for what they believe will be a better and safe life. What you are showing us is far from what is required to cause the TCs to up rise and demand union in fact you continue to show us why we should never unite, before you come back with the same old rhetoric stop and think about what I have said for one minute and try and think of 3 things that you GCs could to win TCs over.

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Vp said
as a community we are equal partners as per our internationally recognized agreement which has your signature on it.

show me where in the ROC constitution that your people signed and walked out on, it states that the Gc and Tc are equal partners and have equal say in the running of Cyprus....when your people were given 30 percent of the congress it shows that you accepted the role of a minority......even though you were only 18 percent and now probably only 8 percent....

You are correct about the 70/30 balance but the fact that your constitution gives us veto rights makes us equal. Why do you not want to be equals? is it to get the upper hand?

A veto vote does not make it equal. It makes it unequal, since a veto vote would give the user a 100% voting power.

Btw, you keep saying to the GCs, "your constitution, your constitution". If it's their constitution, what gives you the right to demand anything from the RoC, which the RoC has sovereignty over 100% of the island, and which you don't want to be part of it?

If it's their constitution, they will do what ever they want with their "own constitution", can't they?

Oh, Ive forgot. They are doing what they want with it. So much for your "partnership and veto vote" power that you claim to have. Not even the UN, EU, UK, Greece and USA are making any demands about any partnership or veto vote along with guarantor powers in the BBF for a settlement since the failed AP in 2004. Can you accept the fact that Denktash settled for BBF without these "rights" that you claim to have in the RoC's constitution, specially when you don't even want to be part of it.

Like it or not and I know these makes you sick too your stomach the TCs have a vested interest in the current constitution used by the GCs, its from these agreements that the EU and UN ask us for a referendum, consult with us and invite us to the negotiating table.

[repulsewarrior]

...read my manifesto vp.

it recognises Turkish Cypriots as a People, and it allows for other Persons equality with the same Rights to sustain their own identities as Nations, too.

it allows for Free Movement, Free Expression, and Free Association, because these Peoples can Unite, and as Cypriots identify with a broader concern as Human Beings, as Individuals, without discrimination.

it ends the possibility of the ugly proxy war that we are subjected to today, and it offers to the rest of the world political tools that are presently lacking, so that as a definition for Bicommunal, as Persons/as Individuals, there are values that can be held in high esteem and emulated.