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[Paphitis]

Yeah do you realize what you are asking us to take a leap of faith all because "Who knows, you just might be better off this way... ", thats not good enough. The TCs would rather become Turkish than a minority amongst GCs which they could have tomorrow but reject by staying in the north...they will never get rid of the TA unless their security is guaranteed through a comprehensive solution. You need to up the anti and win the TCs over by proving that union with the GCs would be better for everyone. Otherwise more of the same last 38 years status quo, you in the south and us in the north...the solution we all deserve.

Can someone please fix this device, it keeps repeating it self?

Truth is repetitive.

You got it wrong!

Propaganda is repetitive. The truth is generally accepted by the international community and does not need to be repeated.

The truth becomes repetitive to fools like you trying to change reality to suit themselves and to their benefit.

This is all the reality we all need to know:

UN RESOLUTIONS 353 (1974) and 541 (1983)
http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr353.htm

UN RESOLUTIONS 541 (1983)
http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr541.htm

[Viewpoint]

Try imposing them..go ahead.

[Paphitis]

Try imposing them..go ahead.

Until the day they are imposed, the importance of those Resolutions is that the "trnc" is going no where, hence the losing battle you fight. So in effect, they are already imposed on your sorry arses!

[humanist]

Paphitis whilst your right in that the "trnc' is not ever going to be recognised primarily because it is not in Turkey's best interests otherwise Turkey would have supported more staunchly a recognistion plan, they have kept it this way to maintain army bases in Cyprus essentially. They are economically disadvantaging not only themselves and really who cares but more concern for me the fact they are disadvantaging other Cypriots from prospering.

[Paphitis]

Paphitis whilst your right in that the "trnc' is not ever going to be recognised primarily because it is not in Turkey's best interests otherwise Turkey would have supported more staunchly a recognistion plan, they have kept it this way to maintain army bases in Cyprus essentially. They are economically disadvantaging not only themselves and really who cares but more concern for me the fact they are disadvantaging other Cypriots from prospering.

Humanist, if the "trnc" was ever to be recognized, which it won't as it's just physically impossible, then they would have permanent military bases in Cyprus but as it stands, they have bases through illegal occupation, and so their foothold on the island can only be temporary, it is certainly not a permanent dejure state of affairs.

What they are effectively doing, and VP even admits this when he tells us that he/she is open to a resolution, is holding us to ransom at gunpoint in the hope that they can effectively change the state of affairs of the island and derive racist advantages for themselves at the expense of all Cypriots, and that now includes a vast British and Russian community who are now being nationalized as Cypriots as well, and hence they too have a right to exist on the island as equal citizens to anyone, including the Latins, Maronites, TCs and whoever else. They are seeking to disadvantage all other Cypriots by holding us to ransom, and since that ransom will not be paid, they have only disadvantaged themselves for the last 37 years.

The idea of 2 ethnic communities as two political power blocks is outdated and a thing of the past. It does not stand legally or morally.

[Viewpoint]

If you GCs keep up the good work recognition will come...not in our lifetime but it will like it or not surely come.

[georgios100]

Yeah do you realize what you are asking us to take a leap of faith all because "Who knows, you just might be better off this way... ", thats not good enough. The TCs would rather become Turkish than a minority amongst GCs which they could have tomorrow but reject by staying in the north...they will never get rid of the TA unless their security is guaranteed through a comprehensive solution. You need to up the anti and win the TCs over by proving that union with the GCs would be better for everyone. Otherwise more of the same last 38 years status quo, you in the south and us in the north...the solution we all deserve.

Just listen what you are saying... leap of faith-minority-security...
Evidence of a number of fear factors, carefully cultivated into the TC society by Turkey... yes Turkey!

You see, you fear Turkey more than us.

That's why this problem is dragging on for 38 years. Deep inside you know, you guys are much better off with us/EU than step-mom Turkey!
You are either scared to admit it or gutless to break off your Turkish beliefs. We are not your enemy, the enemy is within.

Is you or anybody on this forum convinced that the GCs will attack you the minute all TA troops leave the island?
If so, explain yourself. Otherwise, take that leap of faith...

[Viewpoint]

Yeah do you realize what you are asking us to take a leap of faith all because "Who knows, you just might be better off this way... ", thats not good enough. The TCs would rather become Turkish than a minority amongst GCs which they could have tomorrow but reject by staying in the north...they will never get rid of the TA unless their security is guaranteed through a comprehensive solution. You need to up the anti and win the TCs over by proving that union with the GCs would be better for everyone. Otherwise more of the same last 38 years status quo, you in the south and us in the north...the solution we all deserve.

Just listen what you are saying... leap of faith-minority-security...
Evidence of a number of fear factors, carefully cultivated into the TC society by Turkey... yes Turkey!

You see, you fear Turkey more than us.

That's why this problem is dragging on for 38 years. Deep inside you know, you guys are much better off with us/EU than step-mom Turkey!
You are either scared to admit it or gutless to break off your Turkish beliefs. We are not your enemy, the enemy is within.

Is you or anybody on this forum convinced that the GCs will attack you the minute all TA troops leave the island?
If so, explain yourself. Otherwise, take that leap of faith...

You are not thinking straight, what you are saying is get rid of Turkey so we the GCs can do as we wish and that would be putting you TCs in your place, being minority status. No one to date has actually put forward anything concrete to convince TCs that union with GCs would be the best way forward.

No one will take any leap if there is not a comprehensive plan that will explain exactly the advantages and disadvantages of uniting the north with the south.

[Get Real!]

No one will take any leap if there is not a comprehensive plan that will explain exactly the advantages and disadvantages of uniting the north with the south.

There aren’t any!

You’ll either be the RoC’s bitch or Turkey’s bitch so the choice only comes down to dick size…

[georgios100]

Yeah do you realize what you are asking us to take a leap of faith all because "Who knows, you just might be better off this way... ", thats not good enough. The TCs would rather become Turkish than a minority amongst GCs which they could have tomorrow but reject by staying in the north...they will never get rid of the TA unless their security is guaranteed through a comprehensive solution. You need to up the anti and win the TCs over by proving that union with the GCs would be better for everyone. Otherwise more of the same last 38 years status quo, you in the south and us in the north...the solution we all deserve.

Just listen what you are saying... leap of faith-minority-security...
Evidence of a number of fear factors, carefully cultivated into the TC society by Turkey... yes Turkey!

You see, you fear Turkey more than us.

That's why this problem is dragging on for 38 years. Deep inside you know, you guys are much better off with us/EU than step-mom Turkey!
You are either scared to admit it or gutless to break off your Turkish beliefs. We are not your enemy, the enemy is within.

Is you or anybody on this forum convinced that the GCs will attack you the minute all TA troops leave the island?
If so, explain yourself. Otherwise, take that leap of faith...

You are not thinking straight, what you are saying is get rid of Turkey so we the GCs can do as we wish and that would be putting you TCs in your place, being minority status. No one to date has actually put forward anything concrete to convince TCs that union with GCs would be the best way forward.

No one will take any leap if there is not a comprehensive plan that will explain exactly the advantages and disadvantages of uniting the north with the south.

Yes, get rid of Turkey... why do we need her? We are both Cypriots... right?
The TC side voted "yes" to the Annan plan... was this plan concrete enough for you? Apparently it was, you approved it!
Advantages and disadvantages... you wrote. Nothing is perfect but it's a start... better than NOTHING.

It's not that complicated but both sides make it hard so the politicians keep themselves busy, making money, from our hard earned taxed Euros.
The only concrete solution I see, is the one that will allow room for future revisions, addendum and general adjustments for unforeseen issues to arise during the implementation. Sort of trial and error. And yeah, not all Cypriots will be satisfied... it's obvious... but dragging this on and on, is not the way forward.

Cyprus has a lot of minorities... so does Canada, USA, France, Britain etc... so what? Do minorities get treated badly... of course not. I don't understand what is the issue here. You are a minority, just like everybody else as I mentioned above... digest it and move on. Don't cry about it.