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[Get Real!]

I have a better idea why dont the GCs provide for themselves and the TCs likewise.

Since when have TCs provided for themselves?

They’re just useless dole bludgers!

[wyoming cowboy]

This equal partner thing is just another illusion.
Cyprus is presumably an equal partner in the EU.
Analyze that and you will see how "equal" we are. We are actually nothing, we just share the same principles of free trade and movement as all EU countries, but on the political and economic issues we are just nothing, we were not even allowed to use our veto right Vs Turkey during T-Paps days...

If you are a numerical minority you just accept the fact and get the best you can under the circumstances. It is a combination of your numbers and your ECONOMIC POWER will give you any degree of actual political power in the end. The real Kibrislis today are only 10% of the total, their economic power is less than 5%. The only thing they have is their holding of our properties with the help of the Turkish Army, but sooner or later they have to exchange that if there will be a solution.
Exchange it what what though? With an artificial illusion?

Exactly, exchange it wıth what? minority rights in a GC state?

Minority rights is the best you are going to get, if you think that the Eu, and the rest of the western world will allow the Turks to control oil/gas deposits that can feed their energy needs for the next 100 years, you is bugging Vp. 37 years ago when the west needed Cyprus to be controlled because of the cold war, it ordered turkey to invade, now they want turkey out and its troops out, And you think you have a chance to say no or to refuse? There is a good enough reason for you Vp, to join the Republic of Cyprus, and go back to your village in Paphos, Limassol or wherever you sprung from....and leave Gc owned properties....

[repulsewarrior]

...i don't think you are seriously looking at my posts. for so many years we have debated. vp, even if you agreed with my ideals you can still reject the plan that will be designed for the Cypriot people to vote on.

dismissing me so easily only proves that you wish to ignore any possibility that there will be anything but this state of war. if you think leaving "Greeks" and "Turks" seperated by a thin line is peace we only have to wait, because the bloody part of this truth is only one or two fanatics away.

please, when you answer by telling me what i think, at least put some thought into it. i respect your concern, but sometimes i wonder about your ability to reason. give me specifics.

I question your real motives as you wish to dilute our ethnic origins to allow the GCs the advantage how can i take you seriously?

...you are not being honest.

specifically, why do you question my motives. facts, i want the points that i have written dissected, to justify this fear.

you are ignoring me vp, clearly. what you avoid is dialog.

"you wish to dilute our ethnic origins", what a pitiful comment from someone who has so much more capacity than that; it is not enough. It makes you a small thinker and lazy, a failure, even as a "Turk" you do no justice to this cause, as though you can do no more than to dismiss someone with an air of superiority.

a shame, because my expectations of your abilities are much higher. and my gratititude for your insight, as i've said before, has as a result, my manifesto.

[humanist]

so what are we talking about? Who's gonna make turkey go? Sadly no one ... Though the US UK n EU may after that gas comes out the sea

[Maximus]

I have a better idea why dont the GCs provide for themselves and the TCs likewise.

Then why would the GC need you as an equal partner?

Equal as in we both have have right to share the island you in the south and me in the north...you can have an equal share of my wealth and I of yours...how does that sound?

You must be kidding, seriously, you are way out there.

not only is it unfeasible but there is absolutely no reason for a GC to find any benefit in your proposal. They will be much worse off than they are now.

50% of a lot is not equal to 50% of not that much. any definition of equal partnership that you are deriving does not hold water, it is a flimsy 'make it up as i go along' definition, cherry picking what is beneficial to me(you) and unfair to the 'partner'(them).

what a joke, you cant be taken seriously at all.

[humanist]

A return to the Constitution with a six month period is the nest way forward for all Cypriots. Some changes to ensure non discrimination of any individual. The withdrawl of the Turkish army can then be staged 10,000 every couple months. Right of return, negotiated return for those who chose to exchange, compensated, or other arrangements as agreed.

[Viewpoint]

I have a better idea why dont the GCs provide for themselves and the TCs likewise.

Then why would the GC need you as an equal partner?

Equal as in we both have have right to share the island you in the south and me in the north...you can have an equal share of my wealth and I of yours...how does that sound?

You must be kidding, seriously, you are way out there.

not only is it unfeasible but there is absolutely no reason for a GC to find any benefit in your proposal. They will be much worse off than they are now.

50% of a lot is not equal to 50% of not that much. any definition of equal partnership that you are deriving does not hold water, it is a flimsy 'make it up as i go along' definition, cherry picking what is beneficial to me(you) and unfair to the 'partner'(them).

what a joke, you cant be taken seriously at all.

This from a person who suggested we pay for 4 GCs and they pay for 1 TC...you are the joke

[Viewpoint]

...i don't think you are seriously looking at my posts. for so many years we have debated. vp, even if you agreed with my ideals you can still reject the plan that will be designed for the Cypriot people to vote on.

dismissing me so easily only proves that you wish to ignore any possibility that there will be anything but this state of war. if you think leaving "Greeks" and "Turks" seperated by a thin line is peace we only have to wait, because the bloody part of this truth is only one or two fanatics away.

please, when you answer by telling me what i think, at least put some thought into it. i respect your concern, but sometimes i wonder about your ability to reason. give me specifics.

I question your real motives as you wish to dilute our ethnic origins to allow the GCs the advantage how can i take you seriously?

...you are not being honest.

specifically, why do you question my motives. facts, i want the points that i have written dissected, to justify this fear.

you are ignoring me vp, clearly. what you avoid is dialog.

"you wish to dilute our ethnic origins", what a pitiful comment from someone who has so much more capacity than that; it is not enough. It makes you a small thinker and lazy, a failure, even as a "Turk" you do no justice to this cause, as though you can do no more than to dismiss someone with an air of superiority.

a shame, because my expectations of your abilities are much higher. and my gratititude for your insight, as i've said before, has as a result, my manifesto.

Sorry to disappoint you repulse but what you are trying to promote is just to premature, we even as individuals do not trust each other, only after establishing a strong feeling of understanding and trust you will never achieve what you wish.

[Viewpoint]

A return to the Constitution with a six month period is the nest way forward for all Cypriots. Some changes to ensure non discrimination of any individual. The withdrawl of the Turkish army can then be staged 10,000 every couple months. Right of return, negotiated return for those who chose to exchange, compensated, or other arrangements as agreed.

Does "some" changes include the removal of our veto and security guarantees?

[Get Real!]

A return to the Constitution with a six month period is the nest way forward for all Cypriots. Some changes to ensure non discrimination of any individual. The withdrawl of the Turkish army can then be staged 10,000 every couple months. Right of return, negotiated return for those who chose to exchange, compensated, or other arrangements as agreed.

Does "some" changes include the removal of our veto and security guarantees?

For crying out loud are you still hopeful that you’ll ever get a chance in the RoC government like the old days?

You’re living in the past… it’s over! Mark my words…