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[Viewpoint]

Who else has to sign that exact same agreement? without us you cannot go anywhere when trying to resolve the division.

You can just stew forever and a day. We are in control not you.

You are fighting a losing war. Denktash knew it and died a broken and shattered man and you know it as well.

The "trnc" is going nowhere, and all you can do is hold us to ransom at gunpoint, but there is bugger all you can do when we will not pay that ransom.

No problem...each to their own, appears you have solved the problem all on your own.

[Paphitis]

Who else has to sign that exact same agreement? without us you cannot go anywhere when trying to resolve the division.

You can just stew forever and a day. We are in control not you.

You are fighting a losing war. Denktash knew it and died a broken and shattered man and you know it as well.

The "trnc" is going nowhere, and all you can do is hold us to ransom at gunpoint, but there is bugger all you can do when we will not pay that ransom.

No problem...each to their own, appears you have solved the problem all on your own.

No, the problem is still the occupation, and that is the widely held belief and that will be fixed in due course as East Timor was after decades of occupation. No one thought the Berlin Wall would fall either, and yet it did. You are on a ticking time bomb, because the day will come when someone is going to say enough is enough and with Trillions in EU Gas reserves in the RoC's possession, that day draws closer and closer.

[Kikapu]

Who else has to sign that exact same agreement? without us you cannot go anywhere when trying to resolve the division.

You can just stew forever and a day. We are in control not you.

You are fighting a losing war. Denktash knew it and died a broken and shattered man and you know it as well.

The "trnc" is going nowhere, and all you can do is hold us to ransom at gunpoint, but there is bugger all you can do when we will not pay that ransom.

No problem...each to their own, appears you have solved the problem all on your own.

No, the problem is still the occupation, and that is the widely held belief and that will be fixed in due course as East Timor was after decades of occupation. No one thought the Berlin Wall would fall either, and yet it did. You are on a ticking time bomb, because the day will come when someone is going to say enough is enough and with Trillions in EU Gas reserves in the RoC's possession, that day draws closer and closer.

Also, who would have thought that ALL the generals behind the 1980 coup in Turkey would be in jail today!

"Time Does Not Stand Still"!

[Kikapu]

Do they have an internationally binding partnership agreement? if they do then they have every right to fight for their rights.

That agreement is now null and void and an anachronism as far the EU and UN is concerned.

You wish, why do you think we are consulted and invited to matters concerning the solution as we are a party to the internationally recognized agreement.

By Denktash and Makarios agreeing to have a settlement based on BBF with political equality, the 1960 agreements more or less became redundant and can now ONLY go back to it if both sides now agree to go back to it , hence the reason why the GCs are no longer talking about any "partnership" or a "veto vote". We can see how much "partnership" and "veto power" the TCs have left from the 1960 agreements when it came to the RoC being in the EU, the RoC signing Gas & Oil contracts, the RoC representing the whole island in the UN and EU and the RoC having full recognition world over. So much for the TCs "partnership" with the GCs or the "veto vote" VP is talking about.

Because these were not in the BBF agreements, which Denktash failed to stipulate, are the reasons why the "trnc"/Turkey have been trying to get out of that BBF agreement. No doubt Denktash screwed up when he agreed to BBF in the 70's, but then again, how was he to know that in 2004 the RoC would be in the EU. As far as he was concerned, the war was won and Cyprus problem was over and the TCs were all "locked up" in the north for them to become his followers whether they liked it or not, so it was just a question of time when the north would become an independent country to be recognised by the world.

Any new settlement agreement outside BBF that will be allowed by the GCs as I see it, is for them to agree on a Unitary state with EU Principles, or else stay with the present BBF agreements with UN resolutions. The TCs can pick their choice for a settlement, or stay as they are now and become completely insignificant amongst the settlers in the near future. The GCs and Turkey will wait until ALL the TCs are gone in the north in one form or the other when they will have virtually zero political power and for them to cut a deal together regarding Turkey's interests in the region, as well as Turkey's EU future. The TCs then will become equivalent to the Native American Kickapoo Tribe, almost extinct.

"Time Does Not Stand Still"!

[ripster100]

...if you are a Turcophone and a Cypriot, then why deny the corruption that has tainted this issue for so long? why not defend your Rights as an Individual while you define those who have caused so much suffering to us all.

...otherwise you are a "Greek", and you are not a Turk, because like the "Turks" they are the enemy who are pushing us and forcing us to accept their agenda.

But the grecopohnes will not allow me my rights so why arent you preaching to the them not us?

You have more rights within the ROC then you do in your pseudo state, but since you are more deft and dumb you wither away behind the pantlegs of Turkey

[Viewpoint]

...if you are a Turcophone and a Cypriot, then why deny the corruption that has tainted this issue for so long? why not defend your Rights as an Individual while you define those who have caused so much suffering to us all.

...otherwise you are a "Greek", and you are not a Turk, because like the "Turks" they are the enemy who are pushing us and forcing us to accept their agenda.

But the grecopohnes will not allow me my rights so why arent you preaching to the them not us?

You have more rights within the ROC then you do in your pseudo state, but since you are more deft and dumb you wither away behind the pantlegs of Turkey

Do you know where we originate from ??? this argument is so pathetic and has no weight, you should be worried not us.

[Viewpoint]

Do they have an internationally binding partnership agreement? if they do then they have every right to fight for their rights.

That agreement is now null and void and an anachronism as far the EU and UN is concerned.

You wish, why do you think we are consulted and invited to matters concerning the solution as we are a party to the internationally recognized agreement.

By Denktash and Makarios agreeing to have a settlement based on BBF with political equality, the 1960 agreements more or less became redundant and can now ONLY go back to it if both sides now agree to go back to it , hence the reason why the GCs are no longer talking about any "partnership" or a "veto vote". We can see how much "partnership" and "veto power" the TCs have left from the 1960 agreements when it came to the RoC being in the EU, the RoC signing Gas & Oil contracts, the RoC representing the whole island in the UN and EU and the RoC having full recognition world over. So much for the TCs "partnership" with the GCs or the "veto vote" VP is talking about.

Because these were not in the BBF agreements, which Denktash failed to stipulate, are the reasons why the "trnc"/Turkey have been trying to get out of that BBF agreement. No doubt Denktash screwed up when he agreed to BBF in the 70's, but then again, how was he to know that in 2004 the RoC would be in the EU. As far as he was concerned, the war was won and Cyprus problem was over and the TCs were all "locked up" in the north for them to become his followers whether they liked it or not, so it was just a question of time when the north would become an independent country to be recognised by the world.

Any new settlement agreement outside BBF that will be allowed by the GCs as I see it, is for them to agree on a Unitary state with EU Principles, or else stay with the present BBF agreements with UN resolutions. The TCs can pick their choice for a settlement, or stay as they are now and become completely insignificant amongst the settlers in the near future. The GCs and Turkey will wait until ALL the TCs are gone in the north in one form or the other when they will have virtually zero political power and for them to cut a deal together regarding Turkey's interests in the region, as well as Turkey's EU future. The TCs then will become equivalent to the Native American Kickapoo Tribe, almost extinct.

"Time Does Not Stand Still"!

All these Kikapoo theories, getting very boring.....if you piss in the wind it will just splash back on you.

[Kikapu]

Do they have an internationally binding partnership agreement? if they do then they have every right to fight for their rights.

That agreement is now null and void and an anachronism as far the EU and UN is concerned.

You wish, why do you think we are consulted and invited to matters concerning the solution as we are a party to the internationally recognized agreement.

By Denktash and Makarios agreeing to have a settlement based on BBF with political equality, the 1960 agreements more or less became redundant and can now ONLY go back to it if both sides now agree to go back to it , hence the reason why the GCs are no longer talking about any "partnership" or a "veto vote". We can see how much "partnership" and "veto power" the TCs have left from the 1960 agreements when it came to the RoC being in the EU, the RoC signing Gas & Oil contracts, the RoC representing the whole island in the UN and EU and the RoC having full recognition world over. So much for the TCs "partnership" with the GCs or the "veto vote" VP is talking about.

Because these were not in the BBF agreements, which Denktash failed to stipulate, are the reasons why the "trnc"/Turkey have been trying to get out of that BBF agreement. No doubt Denktash screwed up when he agreed to BBF in the 70's, but then again, how was he to know that in 2004 the RoC would be in the EU. As far as he was concerned, the war was won and Cyprus problem was over and the TCs were all "locked up" in the north for them to become his followers whether they liked it or not, so it was just a question of time when the north would become an independent country to be recognised by the world.

Any new settlement agreement outside BBF that will be allowed by the GCs as I see it, is for them to agree on a Unitary state with EU Principles, or else stay with the present BBF agreements with UN resolutions. The TCs can pick their choice for a settlement, or stay as they are now and become completely insignificant amongst the settlers in the near future. The GCs and Turkey will wait until ALL the TCs are gone in the north in one form or the other when they will have virtually zero political power and for them to cut a deal together regarding Turkey's interests in the region, as well as Turkey's EU future. The TCs then will become equivalent to the Native American Kickapoo Tribe, almost extinct.

"Time Does Not Stand Still"!

All these Kikapoo theories, getting very boring.....if you piss in the wind it will just splash back on you.

Right, and that's why you have been able to stop the RoC from doing what ever they want on the International platform by using your so called 1960 agreements "partnership & veto vote" power!

Now I get it!

[Viewpoint]

Imo they can do what the hell they want as long as it doesnt effect the TRNC.

[repulsewarrior]

...if you are a Turcophone and a Cypriot, then why deny the corruption that has tainted this issue for so long? why not defend your Rights as an Individual while you define those who have caused so much suffering to us all.

...otherwise you are a "Greek", and you are not a Turk, because like the "Turks" they are the enemy who are pushing us and forcing us to accept their agenda.

But the grecopohnes will not allow me my rights so why arent you preaching to the them not us?

...and do the the "Turks" allow Turks their Freedom?

nevermind the Kurds or Armenians, the only bonds you have with the fanatics amongst you is a common language (unless you are a "Turk" yourself).

...and if you understand my position, you would consider the big differences between Nation and State. Like me you would understand that Ataturk attempted to build a State that includes all the citizens of Turkey, but that the corruption around him made him Kemal, only a leader of "Turks".

I have no problem with Greeks or Turks, (Grecophones and Turcophones), only the "Greeks" and "Turks" that live amongst their midst. Yes, vp, "Greeks" (and "Turks") do not allow us our Rights, I am asking you to focus, and join with me by being careful not to generalise, but to isolate them clearly in the thinking we express.