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[Kikapu]

Bill,

Wasn't the IPC due to expire in 2011, or was it in 2012?

Extended mate, to end of 2013 for those who wish to make use of it.

I'm sure Turkey will extend it again and again and again for obvious reasons until not allowed to by the ECHR!

[humanist]

Yes Turk we have heard you many times over ..... you lack the ability to care ......

[bill cobbett]

These gutsy people brought about the ipc. These were the last cases that the ECHR examines. From now on it is all about the ipc. Thank you gutsy people (and lawyers, who saw the opportunity to make easy money).

The cost of bringing any case before the ECHR can be next to nothing.

Did it some years ago in a matter unrelated to CY for the price of some postage stamps to send in a bundle.

There is no obligation to use and pay for expensive lawyers in cases brought before the ECHR. Assistance with legal costs is also available for those on lowish incomes who wish to appoint solicitors and correspondence and the hearing, if there needs to be one, is done in the language of the applicant.

On the other hand, the "ipc" will charge to lodge an application (believe some hundreds of Euros) and the hearing won't be in a language that is familiar to the applicant so that the expensive local lawyers that Bananiot refers to will be needed.

Another consideration is that rulings of the ECHR are final and binding (except for those that are referred to the ECHR Grand Chamber). Those of the "ipc" are challengeable to the "appeal courts" of the Occupation Regime, which will take more time with more costs.

[Bananiot]

Bill, have you heard of the deals that have been made with lawyers who pushed refugees to go to the ECHR? We are talking about thousands of euros. Mostly, they get a big cut from any money Turkey pays, if ever it pays. Some lawyers also pay a lot of attention to this in order to enhance their political image. Perhaps, it is a short cut to the Parliament.

[Kikapu]

Bill, have you heard of the deals that have been made with lawyers who pushed refugees to go to the ECHR? We are talking about thousands of euros. Mostly, they get a big cut from any money Turkey pays, if ever it pays. Some lawyers also pay a lot of attention to this in order to enhance their political image. Perhaps, it is a short cut to the Parliament.

Bananiot, if the lawyers are on commission, then they will work hard to get a large settlement as possible, which means they make a lot of money, but so does their clients. Where is the loss to the clients if the lawyers are working on percentage basis. After all, the lawyers too take a risk by putting so much work into fighting for their client without the client having to put out any money up front or during the course of their case. If lawyers accept cases based on percentage cut of the winnings for their fee, then the lawyers must feel that they have a good chance in winning the case for their clients, or else they would not take on the cases. It's a win-win situation really.

[bill cobbett]

Bill, have you heard of the deals that have been made with lawyers who pushed refugees to go to the ECHR? We are talking about thousands of euros. Mostly, they get a big cut from any money Turkey pays, if ever it pays. Some lawyers also pay a lot of attention to this in order to enhance their political image. Perhaps, it is a short cut to the Parliament.

Well have also heard of the "sweeteners" and the "cuts" paid to members of the Occupation Regime from the "takings" of the "ipc", and doubtless there is pushing again by the usual ambulance chasers, after easy money... but don't want to dwell on it as there is no hard evidence of these methods, of cash changing hands under the table as it were.

... but seriously B leaving aside allegations of back-handers, to get back to hard challengeable facts, the "ipc" is a far from perfect body, probably challengeable for the cost of bringing a case to it and for applicants being unable to address it in their own language. a body the ECHR sees as a local remedy in cases referred to it by the ECHR

[Kikapu]

Bill, have you heard of the deals that have been made with lawyers who pushed refugees to go to the ECHR? We are talking about thousands of euros. Mostly, they get a big cut from any money Turkey pays, if ever it pays. Some lawyers also pay a lot of attention to this in order to enhance their political image. Perhaps, it is a short cut to the Parliament.

Well have also heard of the "sweeteners" and the "cuts" paid to members of the Occupation Regime from the "takings" of the "ipc", and doubtless there is pushing again by the usual ambulance chasers, after easy money... but don't want to dwell on it as there is no hard evidence of these methods, of cash changing hands under the table as it were.

... but seriously B leaving aside allegations of back-handers, to get back to hard challengeable facts, the "ipc" is a far from perfect body, probably challengeable for the cost of bringing a case to it and for applicants being unable to address it in their own language. a body the ECHR sees as a local remedy in cases referred to it by the ECHR

Bill, there were allegations that the military Generals in the north were taking cuts from any settlements made with the GCs at the IPC. The whole IPC affair is corrupt to the core.

[bill cobbett]

Bill, have you heard of the deals that have been made with lawyers who pushed refugees to go to the ECHR? We are talking about thousands of euros. Mostly, they get a big cut from any money Turkey pays, if ever it pays. Some lawyers also pay a lot of attention to this in order to enhance their political image. Perhaps, it is a short cut to the Parliament.

Well have also heard of the "sweeteners" and the "cuts" paid to members of the Occupation Regime from the "takings" of the "ipc", and doubtless there is pushing again by the usual ambulance chasers, after easy money... but don't want to dwell on it as there is no hard evidence of these methods, of cash changing hands under the table as it were.

... but seriously B leaving aside allegations of back-handers, to get back to hard challengeable facts, the "ipc" is a far from perfect body, probably challengeable for the cost of bringing a case to it and for applicants being unable to address it in their own language. a body the ECHR sees as a local remedy in cases referred to it by the ECHR

Bill, there were allegations that the military Generals in the north were taking cuts from any settlements made with the GCs at the IPC. The whole IPC affair is corrupt to the core.

Well, feel that the confidentiality clauses in applications to the "ipc", the behind-closed-doors, private hearings of the "ipc" and the lack of public pronouncements of its decisions does leave the "ipc" open to accusations of this sort.

[bill cobbett]

On the matter of these allegations...

This is from an archived article in the CY Mail quoting Politis as the source of the info. Make of it what you will...

Turkey's 'IPC' accused of embezzlement in GC land settlements.August 31 2010 at 4:53 PM
WAFFer
Kickbacks allegations in IPC compensation
By Elias Hazou
Published on August 31, 2010


A GREEK Cypriot refugee awarded compensation by the norths Immovable Property Commission (IPC) was manipulated into paying back 25 per cent of the amount as a sweetener.
According to Politis, the man reached a settlement with the IPC, under which he was awarded 600,000 pounds sterling. Although the award decision was issued several months ago, it was only a few days ago that the case was closed and the compensation given to the Greek Cypriot applicant.
Initially the man had an arrangement with his Turkish Cypriot lawyer for a fee of five per cent on the value of the compensation.
As time went on and the Greek Cypriot never saw the money, his lawyer advised that the process could be speeded up if the applicant agreed to pay the Turkish embassy in the north a hefty commission in order to oil the wheels.
The man agreed and the lawyer set up the meeting with someone from the Turkish embassy. According to Politis, it was agreed that the applicant pay the embassy 20 per cent of the compensation amount.
The Greek Cypriot wanted a record of the transaction, and at the meeting asked the embassy representative for an invoice for the commission fee. His request was denied.
The man then asked for a day to reconsider, during which time he contacted another Turkish Cypriot lawyer, who nevertheless proposed a similar deal to the first. Pressed for time and money, the applicant threw caution to the wind and agreed to the embassys terms.
A few days later, said the same report, the Greek Cypriot was notified that his compensation money was ready to collect. The man ended up paying some 150,000 pounds sterling to the various go-betweens: the lawyer and the Turkish embassy.
Citing its sources, Politis said the Turkish Cypriot lawyer had come up with alternatives for his Greek Cypriot client. One proposal, reportedly, involved the lawyer charging his client a smaller fee, in return for which the Greek Cypriot would undertake to find him two new customers wishing to apply to the IPC.
According to statistics published on the IPC website, so far there have been 175 applications for compensation filed by Greek Cypriot refugees.
Compensation monies are funded by the Turkish government. The IPC was set up in March 2005, after the European Court of Human Rights handed Turkey the task with finding a way of offering redress to Greek Cypriot Myra Xenides-Arestis, who lost her property in Varosha during the 1974 Turkish invasion.
Turkey accepted the challenge and has in turn given the Turkish Cypriot authorities as its subordinate local authority the task of delivering justice on Greek Cypriot property claims.
In a different case, also reported by Politis, an elderly Greek Cypriot woman applying to the IPC decided to settle for 100,000 pounds sterling, even though the value of her property in the occupied areas was several times greater. She was advised that if she agreed to the above offer, she would not have to wait and would receive the money immediately. The woman, who needed money for surgery, went for the deal. The paper said that delay tactics and the carrot-and-stick approach are used as standard procedure to compel applicants to settle for far less.
Commenting on the Politis story yesterday, AKEL deputy Stavros Evagorou said reports of such abuse were to be expected, given applicants to the IPC had no protection.
We at AKEL are not in favour of Greek Cypriots taking recourse to commissions controlled by Turkey or the breakaway regime, he said.
Reports such as these were typical of the commissions blackmail strategy, he added.

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/kickb ... n/20100831

[kurupetos]

Bill, have you heard of the deals that have been made with lawyers who pushed refugees to go to the ECHR? We are talking about thousands of euros. Mostly, they get a big cut from any money Turkey pays, if ever it pays. Some lawyers also pay a lot of attention to this in order to enhance their political image. Perhaps, it is a short cut to the Parliament.

Bananiot you've proved one more time that you are a traitor of the worst kind. I will now logout and puke.