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GR why not move past this rhetoric and realize that if you GCs want a solution and I doubt it very much you have to think outside of the box. There are many TCs that would take on the role of shadow government funded by the EU/GCs to forge an agreement we could all commit to, this way it would give you what you wish Turkey out of the equation, but as i have always said GCs are just to dumb to see the light.

[Maximus]

GR why not move past this rhetoric and realize that if you GCs want a solution and I doubt it very much you have to think outside of the box. There are many TCs that would take on the role of shadow government funded by the EU/GCs to forge an agreement we could all commit to, this way it would give you what you wish Turkey out of the equation, but as i have always said GCs are just to dumb to see the light.

You need a reality check, seriously, this is what you need.

[Viewpoint]

GR why not move past this rhetoric and realize that if you GCs want a solution and I doubt it very much you have to think outside of the box. There are many TCs that would take on the role of shadow government funded by the EU/GCs to forge an agreement we could all commit to, this way it would give you what you wish Turkey out of the equation, but as i have always said GCs are just to dumb to see the light.

You need a reality check, seriously, this is what you need.

If you havent got anything to say shut the F up.

[Kikapu]

GR why not move past this rhetoric and realize that if you GCs want a solution and I doubt it very much you have to think outside of the box. There are many TCs that would take on the role of shadow government funded by the EU/GCs to forge an agreement we could all commit to, this way it would give you what you wish Turkey out of the equation, but as i have always said GCs are just to dumb to see the light.

Why would Turkey allow such a "shadow government" to form in the north, just so to counter the one they control now. What benefits are there for turkey to be sidelined like that?

If anything, it should be formed in the south to give the TCs an International platform to oppose Turkey's occupation of their country. Would you support a "shadow government" by the TCs in the south to counter the puppets in the north and Turkey's occupation?

[Get Real!]

GR why not move past this rhetoric and realize that if you GCs want a solution and I doubt it very much you have to think outside of the box. There are many TCs that would take on the role of shadow government funded by the EU/GCs to forge an agreement we could all commit to, this way it would give you what you wish Turkey out of the equation, but as i have always said GCs are just to dumb to see the light.

In a nutshell the “Turkish Cypriot” ideas are always for a separate entity to somehow wiggle its way into the Cypriot government to attain power. In fact the only thing that changes is the fancy label used to cloak this decades old goal.

But the Cypriot public reasons that if you are to be a separate entity then you cannot possibly be one of them, so why should a group of foreigners attain any power where they don’t belong?

In conclusion it’s pretty clear that the Cypriot public will never accept what is seen as a non-Cypriot invasive entity into the island’s life/future, so as a political entity “Turkish Cypriots” don’t stand a chance of attaining anything on Cyprus because their approach has always been that of a foreign intruder and Turkish conspirator.

Now you can argue till the cows come home how they managed to earn and preserve such a negative reputation on Cyprus, but it’s a stigma they’re unable to shake off thus far and if you add to that their ever-dwindling political significance on the island it looks pretty grim for them…

The result is clear… some of these “Turkish Cypriots” have already joined the RoC and more will follow, while the rest will just vanish among the vast Turkish population.

Ethnic problem solved… and an illegal invasion/occupation issue pending!

[Viewpoint]

GR why not move past this rhetoric and realize that if you GCs want a solution and I doubt it very much you have to think outside of the box. There are many TCs that would take on the role of shadow government funded by the EU/GCs to forge an agreement we could all commit to, this way it would give you what you wish Turkey out of the equation, but as i have always said GCs are just to dumb to see the light.

In a nutshell the “Turkish Cypriot” ideas are always for a separate entity to somehow wiggle its way into the Cypriot government to attain power. In fact the only thing that changes is the fancy label used to cloak this decades old goal.

But the Cypriot public reasons that if you are to be a separate entity then you cannot possibly be one of them, so why should a group of foreigners attain any power where they don’t belong?

In conclusion it’s pretty clear that the Cypriot public will never accept what is seen as a non-Cypriot invasive entity into the island’s life/future, so as a political entity “Turkish Cypriots” don’t stand a chance of attaining anything on Cyprus because their approach has always been that of a foreign intruder and Turkish conspirator.

Now you can argue till the cows come home how they managed to earn and preserve such a negative reputation on Cyprus, but it’s a stigma they’re unable to shake off thus far and if you add to that their ever-dwindling political significance on the island it looks pretty grim for them…

The result is clear… some of these “Turkish Cypriots” have already joined the RoC and more will follow, while the rest will just vanish among the vast Turkish population.

Ethnic problem solved… and an illegal invasion/occupation issue pending!

We also see you as the enemy not to be trusted but we are all trying to think out of the box.

You are right about the Turkification of the North but this is an alternative much preferred to being a minority in a GC state, how many more times do I have to clarify this? What you dont realize is that time works against you and the diminishing number or assimilation of old TCs with new generation TCs will cause you much bigger headaches in the future. Werent it you who backed the idea of a shadow government? the only idea that would give you what you want but of course you are a GC.!!!!!!!!

[Viewpoint]

GR why not move past this rhetoric and realize that if you GCs want a solution and I doubt it very much you have to think outside of the box. There are many TCs that would take on the role of shadow government funded by the EU/GCs to forge an agreement we could all commit to, this way it would give you what you wish Turkey out of the equation, but as i have always said GCs are just to dumb to see the light.

Why would Turkey allow such a "shadow government" to form in the north, just so to counter the one they control now. What benefits are there for turkey to be sidelined like that?

If anything, it should be formed in the south to give the TCs an International platform to oppose Turkey's occupation of their country. Would you support a "shadow government" by the TCs in the south to counter the puppets in the north and Turkey's occupation?

What difference would it make if they were located in the north or the south the effect would be the same.

If structured in a fashion that would really have an effect I would support such a movement maybe even take part, would you be a supporter?

[Kikapu]

GR why not move past this rhetoric and realize that if you GCs want a solution and I doubt it very much you have to think outside of the box. There are many TCs that would take on the role of shadow government funded by the EU/GCs to forge an agreement we could all commit to, this way it would give you what you wish Turkey out of the equation, but as i have always said GCs are just to dumb to see the light.

Why would Turkey allow such a "shadow government" to form in the north, just so to counter the one they control now. What benefits are there for turkey to be sidelined like that?

If anything, it should be formed in the south to give the TCs an International platform to oppose Turkey's occupation of their country. Would you support a "shadow government" by the TCs in the south to counter the puppets in the north and Turkey's occupation?

What difference would it make if they were located in the north or the south the effect would be the same.

If structured in a fashion that would really have an effect I would support such a movement maybe even take part, would you be a supporter?

If in the south, it would be in the open to challenge the north and Turkey in the media without any threats of reprisals from those in the north or Turkey.

If in the north, everything will need to be "underground" almost without a voice.

I would support anything that will make Cyprus for Cypriots only and ALL Cypriots as equal citizens to each other. I personally feel having TCs in the open challenging the north and Turkey on International platform from the south will have far more effect to get results than "underground" in the north.

[bill cobbett]

GR why not move past this rhetoric and realize that if you GCs want a solution and I doubt it very much you have to think outside of the box. There are many TCs that would take on the role of shadow government funded by the EU/GCs to forge an agreement we could all commit to, this way it would give you what you wish Turkey out of the equation, but as i have always said GCs are just to dumb to see the light.

Why would Turkey allow such a "shadow government" to form in the north, just so to counter the one they control now. What benefits are there for turkey to be sidelined like that?

If anything, it should be formed in the south to give the TCs an International platform to oppose Turkey's occupation of their country. Would you support a "shadow government" by the TCs in the south to counter the puppets in the north and Turkey's occupation?

What difference would it make if they were located in the north or the south the effect would be the same.

If structured in a fashion that would really have an effect I would support such a movement maybe even take part, would you be a supporter?

If in the south, it would be in the open to challenge the north and Turkey in the media without any threats of reprisals from those in the north or Turkey.

If in the north, everything will need to be "underground" almost without a voice.

I would support anything that will make Cyprus for Cypriots only and ALL Cypriots as equal citizens to each other. I personally feel having TCs in the open challenging the north and Turkey on International platform from the south will have far more effect to get results than "underground" in the north.

A day or two ago we read that some of the Trades Unions that have been vociferous in the anti-Regime struggle in the Occcupied Areas visited Pres X at the Pres Palace. We were told that the Pres had "briefed" them about the talks. Wonder whether that was all that was discussed... just asking.

[Viewpoint]

GR why not move past this rhetoric and realize that if you GCs want a solution and I doubt it very much you have to think outside of the box. There are many TCs that would take on the role of shadow government funded by the EU/GCs to forge an agreement we could all commit to, this way it would give you what you wish Turkey out of the equation, but as i have always said GCs are just to dumb to see the light.

Why would Turkey allow such a "shadow government" to form in the north, just so to counter the one they control now. What benefits are there for turkey to be sidelined like that?

If anything, it should be formed in the south to give the TCs an International platform to oppose Turkey's occupation of their country. Would you support a "shadow government" by the TCs in the south to counter the puppets in the north and Turkey's occupation?

What difference would it make if they were located in the north or the south the effect would be the same.

If structured in a fashion that would really have an effect I would support such a movement maybe even take part, would you be a supporter?

If in the south, it would be in the open to challenge the north and Turkey in the media without any threats of reprisals from those in the north or Turkey.

If in the north, everything will need to be "underground" almost without a voice.

I would support anything that will make Cyprus for Cypriots only and ALL Cypriots as equal citizens to each other. I personally feel having TCs in the open challenging the north and Turkey on International platform from the south will have far more effect to get results than "underground" in the north.

You may have a point but located in the south imo it would not get the required support to make an impact necessary to make a difference, maybe it can be a across border movement encouraging supporters to go back and forth.

How would the financial support mechanism work from the south?

How will investment be encouraged if not engaged with the relevant bodies in the north?