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[Viewpoint]

We are wasting our time discussing this with VP. He does not understand how the loss of the Customs Union will affect the Turkish economy.

I'll spell it out one more time.

Loss of Customs Union = loss of much trade with EU = loss of confidence in Turkish economy = loss of European investment = Loss of paddle

But you have been claiming this for years when will the EU take action thats what I want to know all you people do is throw mud hoping it will stick.

[Kikapu]

The EU does not want to look like Pricks to cancel Turkey's membership talks. They will want Turkey to look like Pricks by letting her screw-herself out of the EU membership talks, which Turkey is doing just that without any help from anyone, even without ANY guarantees that she will get to keep the north.

Last time I looked, the bookmakers were giving 1,000,000 to 1 odds against Turkey getting to keep the north.

As i have always said Turkey will never get into the EU, therefore erasing the GC leverage.

It does not erase the EU's leverage, nor Cyprus's. They will both make sure that the north will always be a thorn on Turkey's side. Turkey will one day become a true Democracy and will want to be in the EU. Then what are you going to do?

[Viewpoint]

You are really starting to sound confused you run Turkey into the ground at every opportunity and now claim it will become democratic, lets top beating around the bush. If Turkey wanted to change to join the EU it would take the necessary measures but can you see any attempt at this? I know you hate to hear this but they are making every effort to stay out and yet again you people are being played by throwing your leverage on the bin.

You claim we are a part of Turkey just like any other part of Turkey be it Izmir, Mersin or Ankara...how can all these places be a thorn in Turkeys side, please stop contradicting yourself.

[Hermes]

You claim we are a part of Turkey just like any other part of Turkey be it Izmir, Mersin or Ankara...how can all these places be a thorn in Turkeys side, please stop contradicting yourself.

You are confused. The north is not part of Turkey. And cannot be without the consent of the RoC and that is not going to happen. When people say the occupied areas "are part of Turkey" they mean that the land and the TCs are under Turkish occupation and the population have no say in the running of the north - which is a Turkish puppet state. That does not mean that Turkey has any legal or sovereign claim to the north. Even you must know this.

[Kikapu]

You are really starting to sound confused you run Turkey into the ground at every opportunity and now claim it will become democratic, lets top beating around the bush. If Turkey wanted to change to join the EU it would take the necessary measures but can you see any attempt at this? I know you hate to hear this but they are making every effort to stay out and yet again you people are being played by throwing your leverage on the bin.

You claim we are a part of Turkey just like any other part of Turkey be it Izmir, Mersin or Ankara...how can all these places be a thorn in Turkeys side, please stop contradicting yourself.

No one said the north is part of Turkey. That is something you wish for it to be. Just because Turkey pays the north, it does not own it anymore than someone paying to use a whore. She is still her own person and is not owned by the person paying for her services.

I said it before and I will say it again. There will always be Turkey there long after the Neo Islamist government is gone, so the question to you is, what will you do once Turkey decides to become a True Democratic Turkey and wants to be in the EU?

The day the RoC became an EU member 2004, is when Turkey lost any leverage she had on the north, because you refuse to believe that the RoC and the EU continues to have leverage over Turkey, no matter how long the occupation of the north continues. If they did not have any leverage, than surely the north would have been annexed by Turkey long time ago. It hasn't happened, has it?

[repulsewarrior]

"You claim we are a part of Turkey just like any other part of Turkey be it Izmir, Mersin or Ankara...how can all these places be a thorn in Turkeys side, please stop contradicting yourself."

lolololol, i had no idea what vp was talking about, thanks Kik for clearing up my confusion; it seems that sometimes i don't understand his english too...

vp, your Erdogan is not Turkey, if and when Turkey's Citizens have a chance to vote again, we can hope (for them) that he has not gashed everything that has taken decades to build.

[Viewpoint]

You claim we are a part of Turkey just like any other part of Turkey be it Izmir, Mersin or Ankara...how can all these places be a thorn in Turkeys side, please stop contradicting yourself.

You are confused. The north is not part of Turkey. And cannot be without the consent of the RoC and that is not going to happen. When people say the occupied areas "are part of Turkey" they mean that the land and the TCs are under Turkish occupation and the population have no say in the running of the north - which is a Turkish puppet state. That does not mean that Turkey has any legal or sovereign claim to the north. Even you must know this.

Hermes the claim was we are a thorn in Turkeys side nothing about legality or the north being called Turkey. For the majority of Turks the north is a matter of a national cause and they will never give it up easily. We are a drop in the ocean when you consider the size of the country and the economic balance which works in Turkeys favor as we are a consuming population which on the whole consumes Turkish products and services. So any funding she puts in the pockets of the population in the TRNC you claim is a thorn in her side quickly returns back to her own coffers 3 or 4 fold. If you travel to Turkey the majority of Turks consider the TRNC to be theirs therefore their responsibility just like any other part of Turkey and that GCs are not clever enough to get it back has they have proven over many years of no solution. Now do you get it, you talk about whats on paper I talk about reality.

[Viewpoint]

You are really starting to sound confused you run Turkey into the ground at every opportunity and now claim it will become democratic, lets top beating around the bush. If Turkey wanted to change to join the EU it would take the necessary measures but can you see any attempt at this? I know you hate to hear this but they are making every effort to stay out and yet again you people are being played by throwing your leverage on the bin.

You claim we are a part of Turkey just like any other part of Turkey be it Izmir, Mersin or Ankara...how can all these places be a thorn in Turkeys side, please stop contradicting yourself.

No one said the north is part of Turkey. That is something you wish for it to be. Just because Turkey pays the north, it does not own it anymore than someone paying to use a whore. She is still her own person and is not owned by the person paying for her services.

This is constantly repeated go back and check your own and others posts, if we are ruled by Turkey as you people claim then how can your claim be correct that we are a thorn in their side. They would never invest in the TRNC if you were right which you are not. There maybe ungrateful people in the TRNC but thats another matter alltogether.


I said it before and I will say it again. There will always be Turkey there long after the Neo Islamist government is gone, so the question to you is, what will you do once Turkey decides to become a True Democratic Turkey and wants to be in the EU?

Many you are such a hypocrite you post like theres no tomorrow about Turkey evaporating and being ripped to shreads now you claim it will become a True Democratic country...do you read what you write or do you just post according how you got out of bed that day there is absolutely no consistency in your posts.

The day the RoC became an EU member 2004, is when Turkey lost any leverage she had on the north, because you refuse to believe that the RoC and the EU continues to have leverage over Turkey, no matter how long the occupation of the north continues. If they did not have any leverage, than surely the north would have been annexed by Turkey long time ago. It hasn't happened, has it?

I still find it difficult to understand what leverage you can have a over a country that shows no signs of wanting to enter the EU..what has she done in the last year to illustrate this, she constantly says that forced to choose she will choose the TRNC and makes no progress in building any bridges with the GCs, to go even a step further shes has threatened to stop all meetings with the EU while the GCs have EU presidency. Add to this a bureaucratic corpse like the EU and what do you get nothing....a bag full of nothing....no leverage for the GCs, they cant even get Turkey around a table on a 121 basis, says a lot for their non existent leverage.

[Viewpoint]

"You claim we are a part of Turkey just like any other part of Turkey be it Izmir, Mersin or Ankara...how can all these places be a thorn in Turkeys side, please stop contradicting yourself."

lolololol, i had no idea what vp was talking about, thanks Kik for clearing up my confusion; it seems that sometimes i don't understand his english too...

vp, your Erdogan is not Turkey, if and when Turkey's Citizens have a chance to vote again, we can hope (for them) that he has not gashed everything that has taken decades to build.

Do you follow Turkish politics? there is no opposition party in Turkey that can topple Erdogan...looks like he will be around for a long time to come.

[CBBB]

"You claim we are a part of Turkey just like any other part of Turkey be it Izmir, Mersin or Ankara...how can all these places be a thorn in Turkeys side, please stop contradicting yourself."

lolololol, i had no idea what vp was talking about, thanks Kik for clearing up my confusion; it seems that sometimes i don't understand his english too...

vp, your Erdogan is not Turkey, if and when Turkey's Citizens have a chance to vote again, we can hope (for them) that he has not gashed everything that has taken decades to build.

Do you follow Turkish politics? there is no opposition party in Turkey that can topple Erdogan...looks like he will be around for a long time to come.

I hope you are looking forward to the introduction of Sharia law.