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[Piratis]

There was no Greek Nation either. And for the indigenous in Cyprus, thier island would have been their whole world. They didn't call it Cyprus back then, but that does not mean they are not Cypriots and that on this island exists a homogeneous people.

There was no Greek Nation 12.000 years ago, but when the concept of nations and ethnicities emerged, Cypriots were part of the Greek ethnicity and nation.

What makes the people who came from Anatolia or Levant indigenous to Cyprus and those who came from Europe not indigenous?

Malta is a strategic island as well!

Nowhere near as strategic as Cyprus. Why you think the British would do everything they could to keep bases here?

The British just wanted to maintain a foothold so they refused the referendum and yet they still exploited this Hellenic Ottoman sentiment to divide the island into 2.

Let me ask you what the results of any such referendum would be today?

So you admit that the vast majority of Cypriots wanted enosis and this was denied by the British.

Today there is no point in having enosis as the damage has been done already. But have a referendum asking people their ethnicity and I assure you the majority will be Greek.

[Paphitis]

There was no Greek Nation either. And for the indigenous in Cyprus, thier island would have been their whole world. They didn't call it Cyprus back then, but that does not mean they are not Cypriots and that on this island exists a homogeneous people.

There was no Greek Nation 12.000 years ago, but when the concept of nations and ethnicities emerged, Cypriots were part of the Greek ethnicity and nation.

What makes the people who came from Anatolia or Levant indigenous to Cyprus and those who came from Europe not indigenous?

How did that happen? In one foul swoop, the indigenous of Cyprus became instant Hellenes!

It is like you saying that when the Brits came to Australia, the aborigines became Englishmen! They are Australians!

Malta is a strategic island as well!

Nowhere near as strategic as Cyprus. Why you think the British would do everything they could to keep bases here?

Really!

In WW2, the island of Malta was an important Naval Base that supported the allied defence of Tobruk. It was of far greater strategic importance than Cyprus, and furthermore, you overstate our island's importance in the year 2012 when the US 5th Fleet has a huge base in Bahrain.

The British just wanted to maintain a foothold so they refused the referendum and yet they still exploited this Hellenic Ottoman sentiment to divide the island into 2.

Let me ask you what the results of any such referendum would be today?

So you admit that the vast majority of Cypriots wanted enosis and this was denied by the British.

Today there is no point in having enosis as the damage has been done already. But have a referendum asking people their ethnicity and I assure you the majority will be Greek.

Those days are long gone when the islanders were brainwashed from Greek text books and the Church.

I don't think so, Cypriots are always ridiculing Greeks just like they should!

[boomerang]

Piratis, if you want to see the past as far as colonization is concerned you need to look no further than Australia...

The english colonized the place by trying to wipe the indigenous population with via extreme means...ie, targe shooting, mistretment, stealing their kids etc...it was brutal...and i am pretty sure the same happened in cyprus...

I am sure people like you in a 1000 years from today will say the austalian indigenous population just simply assimilated to a higher civilisation willingly without force...just like what you say today...are you fucking kidding me?...i am a witness and yes I will not be around 1000 years from today but sure as hell there will be people such as yourself in 1000 years preaching the bullshit...

so sad that you cannot accept and be proud from where you came from...the least you can accept is that colonizations don't come cheap or willingly...there is always a cost...

you need to understand we are a race, yes we speak "greekish", but since the greeks colonized us there where plenty others after them, all leaving their mark...

yes i am not a greek...how could I be when I don't even understand them apart from a few words, the same as a few words in turkish, italian, arabic, etc...

you probably were educated in greece and hence the problem...

[Piratis]

How did that happen? In one foul swoop, the indigenous of Cyprus became instant Hellenes

First define which are the indigenous people of Cyprus? Many different groups came to Cyprus in different times from different places. I asked you a question earlier about the Chirokitians and the the people of pre-historic Sotira and you avoided to answer.

Cyprus became hellenic because Greeks were the majority and they gradually assimilated any group that came before or after them in Cyprus.

It is like you saying that when the Brits came to Australia, the aborigines became Englishmen! They are Australians!

And it is like you are saying that the people of the Kangaroo Island can only be of the "Kangaroo Ethnicity" and can not share the same ethnicity as that of the people on the mainland. How did you come to the conclusion that each island should have a separate ethnicity? There are 1000s of inhabited islands in the world and only a handful at most have an ethnicity that is exclusive only on them.

In WW2, the island of Malta was an important Naval Base that supported the allied defence of Tobruk. It was of far greater strategic importance than Cyprus, and furthermore, you overstate our island's importance in the year 2012 when the US 5th Fleet has a huge base in Bahrain.

When Malta was strategic the British kept it. They gave it up when it stopped being strategic. Cyprus continues to be strategic which is why the British want to keep the bases here.

Those days are long gone when the islanders were brainwashed from Greek text books and the Church.

I don't think so, Cypriots are always ridiculing Greeks just like they should!

What you think and what is the truth are two very different things. The fact is that Cypriots are as Greek today as they have always been. When Greece won the Euro a few years ago we had the biggest celebrations we ever had in Cyprus during my lifetime.

[boomerang]

i didn't celebrate the euro win, but sure as hell i curse when they are stealing our thunder from us during the OZ open with their greek flags...it's our time, it's our 15 minute of fame...the bastards...

[Piratis]

Piratis, if you want to see the past as far as colonization is concerned you need to look no further than Australia...

The english colonized the place by trying to wipe the indigenous population with via extreme means...ie, targe shooting, mistretment, stealing their kids etc...it was brutal...and i am pretty sure the same happened in cyprus...

I am sure people like you in a 1000 years from today will say the austalian indigenous population just simply assimilated to a higher civilisation willingly without force...just like what you say today...are you fucking kidding me?...i am a witness and yes I will not be around 1000 years from today but sure as hell there will be people such as yourself in 1000 years preaching the bullshit...

so sad that you cannot accept and be proud from where you came from...the least you can accept is that colonizations don't come cheap or willingly...there is always a cost...

you need to understand we are a race, yes we speak "greekish", but since the greeks colonized us there where plenty others after them, all leaving their mark...

yes i am not a greek...how could I be when I don't even understand them apart from a few words, the same as a few words in turkish, italian, arabic, etc...

you probably were educated in greece and hence the problem...

First of all there are archeological evidence that different groups of people lived side by side in separate kingdoms for centuries. The assimilation was gradual and there is no evidence for the contrary.

But how does this change anything anyway? Does the fact that the whites treated the Aboriginals in the way you described make you an aboriginal? Aren't you still white? Isn't your culture and language one of European decent which has absolutely nothing to do with the language and culture of the aboriginals? Do you think that by calling yourself Australian you are somehow linked to the pre-European era of Australia which in fact has nothing to do with you?

And yes, if you can't understand Greek apart from a few words you are not Greek. I and the vast majority of the population of Cyprus understand Greek perfectly. Even Armenian, Maronite and Latin Cypriots understand Greek, and even some TCs do.

[Piratis]

i didn't celebrate the euro win

That is yet another indication that you are not representative of the Cypriot population. The streets were packed with people celebrating moments after Greece won the Euro.

[Paphitis]

How did that happen? In one foul swoop, the indigenous of Cyprus became instant Hellenes

First define which are the indigenous people of Cyprus? Many different groups came to Cyprus in different times from different places. I asked you a question earlier about the Chirokitians and the the people of pre-historic Sotira and you avoided to answer.

Cyprus became hellenic because Greeks were the majority and they gradually assimilated any group that came before or after them in Cyprus.

I am not avoiding anything Piratis. I did not answer because your assertion is daft to say the least, and I am not mentioning you avoiding to answer one of my questions. Those peoples we call Khoirokitians and Sotirans were the original first inhabitants of Cyprus, much like the Aborigines were the first inhabitants of Australia. Later, it was not just Greeks that came, but the Phoenicians who invented Linear B thus laying the foundation for the Greek Alphabet. That does not make them Greek anymore than it makes the Aborigines Englishmen. They are Cypriots. A completely separate people, and no, these people didn't vanish into thin air, unless you Greeks want to openly confess to a genocide!

It is like you saying that when the Brits came to Australia, the aborigines became Englishmen! They are Australians!

And it is like you are saying that the people of the Kangaroo Island can only be of the "Kangaroo Ethnicity" and can not share the same ethnicity as that of the people on the mainland. How did you come to the conclusion that each island should have a separate ethnicity? There are 1000s of inhabited islands in the world and only a handful at most have an ethnicity that is exclusive only on them.

Australia is one nation and has its own ID thank you very much. It decided a long time ago to let go of any attachments to the so called mother.

Cyprus on the other hand has never been a part of the "Greek" nation.

In WW2, the island of Malta was an important Naval Base that supported the allied defence of Tobruk. It was of far greater strategic importance than Cyprus, and furthermore, you overstate our island's importance in the year 2012 when the US 5th Fleet has a huge base in Bahrain.

When Malta was strategic the British kept it. They gave it up when it stopped being strategic. Cyprus continues to be strategic which is why the British want to keep the bases here.

Actually, you will be surprised. Cyprus isn't that strategic in this day and age. The Brits, Yanks can set up bases just about anywhere. Yes you name it. From Turkey, to Israel, Jordan, Egypt, Bahrain, UAE, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait et al. So how strategic do you think you are?

And what difference does it make? If we were smart, we would have given them exactly what they wanted without the need for any fight, and they would have granted us independence, if not in 1960, then in 1965 and without the Zurich Constitution. And this stupidity I blame on the so called Hellenes such as yourself, who are too stupid to see past your noses.

Those days are long gone when the islanders were brainwashed from Greek text books and the Church.

I don't think so, Cypriots are always ridiculing Greeks just like they should!

What you think and what is the truth are two very different things. The fact is that Cypriots are as Greek today as they have always been. When Greece won the Euro a few years ago we had the biggest celebrations we ever had in Cyprus during my lifetime.

I bet that most Cypriots would want to knock you out if you said that to their faces! Yes 40,000 thousand people on the streets does not classify as the majority being Greek.

There were 50,000 on the streets of Melbourne as well, but that does not mean that most Melbournians are Greek!

[boomerang]

first of all piratis i wasn't talking about me becoming an aboriginal is the aboriginals assimilated via extreme brute force becoming white...and people like you in a 1000 years spewing the bullshit as you do now...come on man get it together...

man you lost the plot with your first sentence...what do you think existed in australia...all aboriginals came from the same place?...there are many tribes with the exemption of tassie where they murder them all...does the expression forced assimilation/extermination mean anything to you?...look at the linobambaki, look at yfred...I am not having a go at yfred, just using the example as forced assimilation...same with the armenians and maronites and latins...what choices did anyone offer them?...apart from mistreatment from the start till they towed the line...

piratis this is the 21 st century and you need to let go of your 2000 year braiwashing...

where you educated in greece?...and you had to change because you didn't fit in?...

and yes you are right piratis...i ain't no greek coz i am a cypriot...see that wasn't so hard for you to comprehend was it?...

[Paphitis]

i didn't celebrate the euro win, but sure as hell i curse when they are stealing our thunder from us during the OZ open with their greek flags...it's our time, it's our 15 minute of fame...the bastards...

Remember when I went to the Aussie Open a couple of years back? Well, I saw those idiots in full flight. They were total morons.

They knew nothing of Tennis, were basically Soccer Fans that appeared lost, and carrying those stupid Flags. The Hellas Ottoman Fan Club of Australia they called themselves.

It was a complete embarrassment!