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[Paphitis]

12.000 years ago there were no Greeks, French, English, Italians, Turks etc etc.

Exactly, and here is where your thesis falls to bits because 12,000 years ago Cypriots predated anything Greek. We had our own autochthonous people already on the island and these people can't just simply disappear. Even if assimilated it still does not change the fact that there is an indigenous Cypriot people that have nothing whatsoever to do with Greece.

And the differences between us and Greeks are striking. I can't imagine anyone in their right mind wanting anything to do with them.

Hang with Turkeys, then you become one.

[Piratis]

You, Paphitis and some others were raised in foreign countries which is the reason of your identity crisis. You lost the Greek part of your identity since Greek was not your first language and you never really learned the history of this island. If you stay in those foreign countries then your descendants, after a couple of generations, will lose the Cypriot part of the identity as well and you would be fully assimilated.

Actually Piratis, Greek was my first language, and I bet I know more about Cypriot history than you do.

But unfortunately, I did not learn Kybreika, only know a few things here or there. Could fit right in if I were in Athens.

But also, I have been around, and I know exactly how childish and immature you must be to seek a connecton to a mother when countries such as the US, Canada, and Australia have created their own IDs and couldn't think of anything worse than to degrade themselves by holding on to apron strings. This just shows a lack in confidence!

There are some huge differenced between Cyprus and the countries you mentioned.

1. Greeks have been inhabiting Cyprus for more than 3000 years. The English have not even inhabited Britain, let alone any other territory, for anywhere that long. Cyprus is at the core of the Greek nation, not merely a comparatively recent Imperial possession.

2. USA, Canada and Australia cover huge territories and have a population large enough to actually be able to be independent. Cyprus is a tiny island with a tiny population in a very geo-strategic location. The option of a truly independent Cyprus was never even an option. It was either we unite with the rest of Greeks, or be kept separate and under the control of the British and the Turks.

3. It is all about choice. Those places choose to be independent because this served their own interests. In the case of Cyprus we were forced to be separate, because this served the interests of the foreign Imperialists, not our own.

[Piratis]

12.000 years ago there were no Greeks, French, English, Italians, Turks etc etc.

Exactly, and here is where your thesis falls to bits because 12,000 years ago Cypriots predated anything Greek. We had our own autochthonous people already on the island and these people can't just simply disappear. Even if assimilated it still does not change the fact that there is an indigenous Cypriot people that have nothing whatsoever to do with Greece.

And the differences between us and Greeks are striking. I can't imagine anyone in their right mind wanting anything to do with them.

Hang with Turkeys, then you become one.

All pre-historic settlements pre-date anything Greek, English, Russian, Turkish, Italian etc. And be certain that 12.000 years ago there were no "Cypriots" either. The term "Cyprus" (in any language) didn't exist. The notion of an ethnicity or a nation or a country didn't exist either. All we had were separate settlements of people that came to Cyprus from different places. The people that lived in Chirokitia and those who lived in Sotira, for example, had nothing in common between them. They came to Cyprus from different places in different times. Furthermore nobody grew out of the land of Cyprus. The people that created those settlements came from somewhere else, in the same way that Greeks did. So in what way those who came from Anatolia are "autochthonous" and those who came from Europe are not?

[Paphitis]

You, Paphitis and some others were raised in foreign countries which is the reason of your identity crisis. You lost the Greek part of your identity since Greek was not your first language and you never really learned the history of this island. If you stay in those foreign countries then your descendants, after a couple of generations, will lose the Cypriot part of the identity as well and you would be fully assimilated.

Actually Piratis, Greek was my first language, and I bet I know more about Cypriot history than you do.

But unfortunately, I did not learn Kybreika, only know a few things here or there. Could fit right in if I were in Athens.

But also, I have been around, and I know exactly how childish and immature you must be to seek a connecton to a mother when countries such as the US, Canada, and Australia have created their own IDs and couldn't think of anything worse than to degrade themselves by holding on to apron strings. This just shows a lack in confidence!

There are some huge differenced between Cyprus and the countries you mentioned.

1. Greeks have been inhabiting Cyprus for more than 3000 years. The English have not even inhabited Britain, let alone any other territory, for anywhere that long. Cyprus is at the core of the Greek nation, not merely a comparatively recent Imperial possession.

Cypriots have inhabited Cyprus for 12,000+ years. That is a fact you can't circumvent. As for being Greek, that can only be the results of a very clever campaign of assimilation against the Cypriot Nation.

2. USA, Canada and Australia cover huge territories and have a population large enough to actually be able to be independent. Cyprus is a tiny island with a tiny population in a very geo-strategic location. The option of a truly independent Cyprus was never even an option. It was either we unite with the rest of Greeks, or be kept separate and under the control of the British and the Turks.

Absolute nonsense. There are many tiny nations in the world that are independant and stand on their own 2 feet. Malta, Singapore, Monaco, Luxembourg, Iceland, New Zealand, San Marino, Liechtenstein, and many more.

3. It is all about choice. Those places choose to be independent because this served their own interests. In the case of Cyprus we were forced to be separate, because this served the interests of the foreign Imperialists, not our own.

Most Cypriots don't want anything to do with Greece.

In actual fact, Hellenism served the interests of the imperialists. It is that which made their job so easy!

[Paphitis]

12.000 years ago there were no Greeks, French, English, Italians, Turks etc etc.

Exactly, and here is where your thesis falls to bits because 12,000 years ago Cypriots predated anything Greek. We had our own autochthonous people already on the island and these people can't just simply disappear. Even if assimilated it still does not change the fact that there is an indigenous Cypriot people that have nothing whatsoever to do with Greece.

And the differences between us and Greeks are striking. I can't imagine anyone in their right mind wanting anything to do with them.

Hang with Turkeys, then you become one.

All pre-historic settlements pre-date anything Greek, English, Russian, Turkish, Italian etc. And be certain that 12.000 years ago there were no "Cypriots" either. The term "Cyprus" (in any language) didn't exist. The notion of an ethnicity or a nation or a country didn't exist either. All we had were separate settlements of people that came to Cyprus from different places. The people that lived in Chirokitia and those who lived in Sotira, for example, had nothing in common between them. They came to Cyprus from different places in different times. Furthermore nobody grew out of the land of Cyprus. The people that created those settlements came from somewhere else, in the same way that Greeks did. So in what way those who came from Anatolia are "autochthonous" and those who came from Europe are not?

If they were not Cypriots then what were they? Australians?

[Piratis]

Cypriots have inhabited Cyprus for 12,000+ years. That is a fact you can't circumvent. As for being Greek, that can only be the results of a very clever campaign of assimilation against the Cypriot Nation.

Those who inhabited Cyprus 12.000 years ago were not "Cypriots". The term didn't even exist. They were just people who came from somewhere else and settled on the island.

There wasn't any "Cypriot Nation" back then either. The notion of a nation didn't even exist.

The Greeks were the first group of people to come to Cyprus in large numbers. Those others who came from elsewhere either before the Greeks or after the Greeks were far less, and were gradually asimilated.

Absolute nonsense. There are many tiny nations in the world that are independant and stand on their own 2 feet. Malta, Singapore, Monaco, Luxembourg, Iceland, New Zealand, San Marino, Liechtenstein, and many more.

They are not in a strategic location like Cyprus.

Most Cypriots don't want anything to do with Greece.

In actual fact, Hellenism served the interests of the imperialists. It is that which made their job so easy!

If most Cypriots didn't want anything to do with Greece then why the British refused to hold a referendum for enosis in the 1950s?

[Piratis]

12.000 years ago there were no Greeks, French, English, Italians, Turks etc etc.

Exactly, and here is where your thesis falls to bits because 12,000 years ago Cypriots predated anything Greek. We had our own autochthonous people already on the island and these people can't just simply disappear. Even if assimilated it still does not change the fact that there is an indigenous Cypriot people that have nothing whatsoever to do with Greece.

And the differences between us and Greeks are striking. I can't imagine anyone in their right mind wanting anything to do with them.

Hang with Turkeys, then you become one.

All pre-historic settlements pre-date anything Greek, English, Russian, Turkish, Italian etc. And be certain that 12.000 years ago there were no "Cypriots" either. The term "Cyprus" (in any language) didn't exist. The notion of an ethnicity or a nation or a country didn't exist either. All we had were separate settlements of people that came to Cyprus from different places. The people that lived in Chirokitia and those who lived in Sotira, for example, had nothing in common between them. They came to Cyprus from different places in different times. Furthermore nobody grew out of the land of Cyprus. The people that created those settlements came from somewhere else, in the same way that Greeks did. So in what way those who came from Anatolia are "autochthonous" and those who came from Europe are not?

If they were not Cypriots then what were they? Australians?

"Cypriot" in the sense of an ethnicity or a nation, no they were not, since such notions did not exist back then.

But let me ask you some questions: Were the Chirokitians Cypriot? If yes, have they always been Cypriot? The same for the people of pre-hestoric Sotira group. Were they Cypriot, and were they always Cypriot?

[Get Real!]

Those who inhabited Cyprus 12.000 years ago were not "Cypriots". The term didn't even exist. They were just people who came from somewhere else and settled on the island.

There wasn't any "Cypriot Nation" back then either. The notion of a nation didn't even exist.

Greece was formed in 1832 so where does that leave your "Greekness" while you were in Cyprus occupied by Ottomans 500 miles away?

You've shot yourself in both feet!

[Piratis]

Those who inhabited Cyprus 12.000 years ago were not "Cypriots". The term didn't even exist. They were just people who came from somewhere else and settled on the island.

There wasn't any "Cypriot Nation" back then either. The notion of a nation didn't even exist.

Greece was formed in 1832 so where does that leave your "Greekness" while you were in Cyprus occupied by Ottomans 500 miles away?

You've shot yourself in both feet!

What was formed at that time was the Greek state, not the Greek nation. The Greek ethnic group and nation existed right from the begining when these concepts were used. On the contary there has never been any "Cypriot Ethnicity", not now, not ever.

[Paphitis]

Cypriots have inhabited Cyprus for 12,000+ years. That is a fact you can't circumvent. As for being Greek, that can only be the results of a very clever campaign of assimilation against the Cypriot Nation.

Those who inhabited Cyprus 12.000 years ago were not "Cypriots". The term didn't even exist. They were just people who came from somewhere else and settled on the island.

There wasn't any "Cypriot Nation" back then either. The notion of a nation didn't even exist.

The Greeks were the first group of people to come to Cyprus in large numbers. Those others who came from elsewhere either before the Greeks or after the Greeks were far less, and were gradually asimilated.

There was no Greek Nation either. And for the indigenous in Cyprus, their island would have been their whole world. They didn't call it Cyprus back then, but that does not mean they are not Cypriots and that on this island exists a homogeneous people.

Absolute nonsense. There are many tiny nations in the world that are independant and stand on their own 2 feet. Malta, Singapore, Monaco, Luxembourg, Iceland, New Zealand, San Marino, Liechtenstein, and many more.

They are not in a strategic location like Cyprus.

Oh how convenient! Sorry but this mentality of we are small and our island is strategic really portrays a lack of confidence and self esteem on your part.

Malta is a strategic island as well and yet I don't see the Maltese behaving in this degrading manner!

Most Cypriots don't want anything to do with Greece.

In actual fact, Hellenism served the interests of the imperialists. It is that which made their job so easy!

If most Cypriots didn't want anything to do with Greece then why the British refused to hold a referendum for enosis in the 1950s?

The British just wanted to maintain a foothold so they refused the referendum and yet they still exploited this Hellenic Ottoman sentiment to divide the island into 2.

Let me ask you what the results of any such referendum would be today?