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[kimon07]

Well can a "Greek" explain why the Church of Cyprus is not part of the Church of Greece and why the Church of Crete does not and never has existed!

Archdiocese of Crete
http://orthodoxwiki.org/Archdiocese_of_Crete

Both the church of Cyprus and the church of Crete have always been under the direct administration of the Patriarchate, not of the Church of Greece.

[kimon07]

[quote="Paphitis"]The Ancient Greek root myth "The whole of Hellas has been Slavicized" - Byzantine Emperor Constantine Porphyrgenitus. "The Slav invasions and settlements of the late 6th and 7th centuries resulted in the expulsion, or extirpation of the original inhabitants of the Greek Peninsula" - Jakob Philipp Fallmerayer.[code]


Being simple minded I am asking two simple questions.

1. What about the Greeks of Crete and the Ionian Islands (Eptanese) and the Dodecanese (who speak exactly the same greek dialect as Cypriots) and the Islands of the North Aegean? And the 1.500.000 who moved to Greece from Turkey (Pontos, Ionia) as refugees or under the exchange of populations in 1922? How “Slavic” were they?

2. If mainland Greece was Slavisized since centuries ago, how come the vast majority of its population, during the Ottoman occupation spoke only Greek, (no Slavic) felt Greek, followed the Greek traditions etc? How come they did not speak, feel and act like the rest of the Slavs in the Balkans? How come they started and fought the liberation war in 1821 envisaging the liberty of the Genos of the Hellens? And remember. We are talking about a period of 400 years, during which the vast majority of the population of mainland Greece were illiterate and there were no ….gymnasiums to “brainwash” them with …”greek propaganda”.

[Get Real!]

Similarly Cyprus is a Greek island, and being Cypriot means that you are most probably Greek.

Unsubstantiated nonsense cannot be debated but ignored!

Where is your credible link to back your nonsense?

You want links. Here are some: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%2 ... ypriots%22

Or maybe you never realized that the vast majority of Cypriots are Greek which is why they are called ... surprise surprise GREEK Cypriots.

The main ethnic group in Cyprus are the Greeks. If you care about "links" then lets see how many links you can find that mention a Cypriot ethnicity.

What makes Cyprus Greek is what makes any territory Greek. The fact that the majority of the population is in fact Greek, now and for 1000s of years. And I repeat: The ONLY reason why Cyprus is not part of the Greek state is because the British and the Turks forced a separate Cypriot state (which would make it easier for themselves to continue to serve their interests on our expense).

You, Paphitis and some others were raised in foreign countries which is the reason of your identity crisis. You lost the Greek part of your identity since Greek was not your first language and you never really learned the history of this island. If you stay in those foreign countries then your descendants, after a couple of generations, will lose the Cypriot part of the identity as well and you would be fully assimilated.

Just as I expected you are unable to supply any credible evidence to support your nonsensical allegations that…

1. “Cyprus is Greek”
2. “Cypriots are Greek”

And the best you could come up with was to highlight the abuse of the LABEL “GC” that was introduced very recently on the island so as to differentiate Christian Cypriots from Muslim Cypriots so as to ferment partition via a Greece vs Turkey proxy war!

But had you read books written by those living or traveling through Cyprus prior to the early 1900s you would’ve found that no such labels as “Greek Cypriots” and “Turkish Cypriots” ever existed!

I bring to your attention the following books from the 19th century…

“Our home in Cyprus” By Esme Scott-Stevenson (1880)

“Through Cyprus with the Camera in the autumn of 1878” By John Thomson

“Cyprus as I saw it in 1879” by Samuel White Baker

Where you’ll find that NOWHERE in their literature do these authors utilize these LABELS proving that they were introduced much later to facilitate confusion and division!

[Get Real!]

Kimon,

Like I’ve stressed many times… just because archeologists haven’t yet found a clear cut continuation from one civilization to another doesn’t necessarily mean that it doesn’t exist! They simply haven’t found it yet! The same goes for the ancient history of every other country where there are gaps between major events that have yet to be filled and perhaps some may never be filled.

[Paphitis]

I am really interested to know how all these people just disappeared!

Sounds so absurd to me that an entire people should vanish into thin air. What did they do? Did they get on a ship and migrate or did they fly?

And 600 people in 11,000BC could so easily turn into 50,000 Khoirokitians by 1200BC.

Geez Kimon, you are so dumb!

[Paphitis]

You, Paphitis and some others were raised in foreign countries which is the reason of your identity crisis. You lost the Greek part of your identity since Greek was not your first language and you never really learned the history of this island. If you stay in those foreign countries then your descendants, after a couple of generations, will lose the Cypriot part of the identity as well and you would be fully assimilated.

Actually Piratis, Greek was my first language, and I bet I know more about Cypriot history than you do.

But unfortunately, I did not learn Kybreika, only know a few things here or there. Could fit right in if I were in Athens.

But also, I have been around, and I know exactly how childish and immature you must be to seek a connecton to a mother when countries such as the US, Canada, and Australia have created their own IDs and couldn't think of anything worse than to degrade themselves by holding on to apron strings. This just shows a lack in confidence!

[Get Real!]

Exactly Paphitis! They should ask themselves…

Where the hell are the descendants of the ancient Cypriots today, if not on Cyprus?

But they are pre-programmed not to think for themselves and question the most basic of common sense!

[Piratis]

Similarly Cyprus is a Greek island, and being Cypriot means that you are most probably Greek.

Unsubstantiated nonsense cannot be debated but ignored!

Where is your credible link to back your nonsense?

You want links. Here are some: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%2 ... ypriots%22

Or maybe you never realized that the vast majority of Cypriots are Greek which is why they are called ... surprise surprise GREEK Cypriots.

The main ethnic group in Cyprus are the Greeks. If you care about "links" then lets see how many links you can find that mention a Cypriot ethnicity.

What makes Cyprus Greek is what makes any territory Greek. The fact that the majority of the population is in fact Greek, now and for 1000s of years. And I repeat: The ONLY reason why Cyprus is not part of the Greek state is because the British and the Turks forced a separate Cypriot state (which would make it easier for themselves to continue to serve their interests on our expense).

You, Paphitis and some others were raised in foreign countries which is the reason of your identity crisis. You lost the Greek part of your identity since Greek was not your first language and you never really learned the history of this island. If you stay in those foreign countries then your descendants, after a couple of generations, will lose the Cypriot part of the identity as well and you would be fully assimilated.

Just as I expected you are unable to supply any credible evidence to support your nonsensical allegations that…

1. “Cyprus is Greek”
2. “Cypriots are Greek”

And the best you could come up with was to highlight the abuse of the LABEL “GC” that was introduced very recently on the island so as to differentiate Christian Cypriots from Muslim Cypriots so as to ferment partition via a Greece vs Turkey proxy war!

But had you read books written by those living or traveling through Cyprus prior to the early 1900s you would’ve found that no such labels as “Greek Cypriots” and “Turkish Cypriots” ever existed!

I bring to your attention the following books from the 19th century…

“Our home in Cyprus” By Esme Scott-Stevenson (1880)

“Through Cyprus with the Camera in the autumn of 1878” By John Thomson

“Cyprus as I saw it in 1879” by Samuel White Baker

Where you’ll find that NOWHERE in their literature do these authors utilize these LABELS proving that they were introduced much later to facilitate confusion and division!

The fact that the majority of Cypriots are Greek is recognized worldwide as everywhere you look the ethnicity of the majority of Cypriots is described as Greek, and nowhere is mentioned anything about a "Cypriot Ethnicity".

If Cypriots were not Greek in the time that those books you mentioned were written then how can you explain this:

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

Even the Ottomans knew very well the fact that we are Greek.

Most importantly, I am Cypriot and like the majority of the population of this island I am Greek, just like my parents, grandparents, great-grandparents etc have been. As a native of this island I don't expect to learn about my identity from some foreigner who visited Cyprus for a holiday in the autumn of 1878. Only somebody with an identity crisis such as yourself would do that.

[Get Real!]

I am Cypriot and like the majority of the population of this island I am Greek,

No, you're just an incorrigible draoullos!

Bethane na fefkis nardousin alli bano bou gofki o nous dous!

[Piratis]

Exactly Paphitis! They should ask themselves…

Where the hell are the descendants of the ancient Cypriots today, if not on Cyprus?

But they are pre-programmed not to think for themselves and question the most basic of common sense!

12.000 years ago there were no Greeks, French, English, Italians, Turks etc etc. The people of various groups got together mixed in different ways and they eventually created modern day nations.

If we are not Greek because in our island there are some pre-Greek prehistoric settlements, then using the exact same logic there must be no Greeks anywhere (pre-historic pre-Greek settlements existed in many parts of Greece) and in the same way no English, no French, no Russians, no Turkish, no Italians etc etc. But there ARE French, Italians, Russians, English, Greek, Turkish etc etc, because people do not identify themselves based on pre-historic settlements that exist near them, but they identify based on a common language, culture, religion and desire of being part of the same nation.