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[GreekIslandGirl]

Oh, so you got your "DNA" information from halil.

[repulsewarrior]

Well can a "Greek" explain why the Church of Cyprus is not part of the Church of Greece and why the Church of Crete does not and never has existed!

It's because even the Orthodox Church acknowledges that we are not the same.

...it's Barnabas and the "book": power.

...sorry Ed, i'm not a "Greek", but i believe that is the answer to your question.

as for the DNA thingy, we are a state (get the pun?) of mind, that is the purpose of Passports; Nation has nothing (and should have nothing) to do with it.

[Paphitis]

there are natural evolutions Paphitis, one cannot stop the Law of Entropy, whether it is in a Natural or Social Science. one can assume that what we are seeing in Greece is a symptom of this effect (or affect depending how you look at it). and on a lighter note, once again Greeks are ahead of the curve politically.

the people of Greece are now taking a long hard look at their political leadership which is a ruling class, more dark dark days are to follow, but i believe that out of it we'll see a leadership that does not conform to the elitist club that spans the families so well established, (and that is European (or Occidental if you prefer), not Greek), less open to the backroom dinner, and more open to the social democracy that we like to imagine is an ideal that Greeks once fostered.

...you spread shit, it's stink fades, and out of it new roots grow.

Sorry, but I can't agree with you Repulsewarrior. Especially about being ahead of the political curve. Just who are you going to compare them to, Canada perhaps?

They can only evolve to the standards of a real EU nation, like France, Germany or UK but being ahead of the political curve, I am really sorry RW. They are nothing but third world, and it is not only about the political elites that bought the country down, it is a culture of rusfeti from the grassroots.

Have you been to Athens lately? It should be a world class city alongside Amsterdam, San Francisco, Sydney or Montreal, but it has become a disgrace that Greeks can not bear.

[repulsewarrior]

pity you say that because i love Athens, but the last time i was there was about twenty years ago...

...when one considers how the Occupation Movement has spread around the world, and relating that to the anger Greeks feel as a result of the corruption that was encouraged to thrive, i still say that this is not limited to Spain, Italy, and the like. France too (and the USA) has these problems. none of the ruling classes can say that they have tried to discourage "toxic debt", or their own insider trading. the results we see are that they are not prepared to accept its harm as a matter of their own doing, while for most of them there is a profit to be made, personally. let's not forget how the EU was formed, and the billions which disappeared at its advent. in this context the Greeks, those on the streets (maybe) and the ones who suffer silently as victims, are the vanguard.

[Paphitis]

pity you say that because i love Athens, but the last time i was there was about twenty years ago...

...when one considers how the Occupation Movement has spread around the world, and relating that to the anger Greeks feel as a result of the corruption that was encouraged to thrive, i still say that this is not limited to Spain, Italy, and the like. France too (and the USA) has these problems. none of the ruling classes can say that they have tried to discourage "toxic debt", or their own insider trading. the results we see are that they are not prepared to accept its harm as a matter of their own doing, while for most of them there is a profit to be made, personally. let's not forget how the EU was formed, and the billions which disappeared at its advent. in this context the Greeks, those on the streets (maybe) and the ones who suffer silently as victims, are the vanguard.

RW, corruption exists everywhere, even here in Australia, but the difference with the corruption you will find in Australia, US, France, UK, Germany, Canada et al is that it is limited and not widespread. There is no culture of rusfeti.

Yes, we have an occupation movement here as well. But these movements don't have any alternative to the current system, and we are not changing unless there is another better and workable alternative. Capitalism is here to stay for most of us, we are not going to go down the road of anarchy. That is not being ahead of the political curve.

But, I too have solidarity with the movement, particularly the one in the Buffer Zone and they have achieved much against division of our island.

And I liked Athens as well. If you go there now you will be in for a terrible shock.

[repulsewarrior]

...Paphitis, if you have a national medical plan, if you offer security to the old or to the sick, by definition, in the strictest sense, you are not free, in a world of pure Capitalism. Socialism has been given a bad name yet for the most part we live in Social-Democracies. Equity is the issue, not Capitalism. it's end is as sure as an object in motion eventually comes to a stop. we should not end it, and its end should not be feared, as a natural progression. but we should be aware that it is being manipulated so that Capitalists can profit most from the labour that they exploit for their gains.

...my hope is that merit, (in Greece), will become the watchword, and not the good fortune of knowing someone who knows someone.

[Paphitis]

...Paphitis, if you have a national medical plan, if you offer security to the old or to the sick, by definition, in the strictest sense, you are not free, in a world of pure Capitalism. Socialism has been given a bad name yet for the most part we live in Social-Democracies. Equity is the issue, not Capitalism. it's end is as sure as an object in motion eventually comes to a stop. we should not end it, and its end should not be feared, as a natural progression. but we should be aware that it is being manipulated so that Capitalists can profit most from the labour that they exploit for their gains.

RW, personally I don't think Socialism has a bad name and I am a Socialist at heart. I am fortunate enough to live in a country that has achieved a good balance. We are a capitalist free market economy but our Government has achieved a socially cohesive society which tries to protect the vulnerable and offer them the basics such as free education and health.

We are only as free as to enable this society to function.

As for mounting global debts, if Greece was able to borrow at the interests rates others do, like the US, Australia, Canada, Germany and France, then they would not be bankrupt with their current levels of debt. The reason why they can't borrow at those rates is because they have a low credit rating which means that the financial markets don't have any confidence in the country. So high risk lenders lend the money for higher returns due to the risks involved, hopefully factoring in a potential loss so as not to bring down the banks which will cause international mayhem.

[Paphitis]

Just elaborating on your final point of your last post.

In Greece, it helps to know people. Just about everyone in Athens knows someone. In larger countries that is only the domain of the elitists, and so corruption exists in those countries as well. But in those countries, even the elitists are accountable to the law. In Greece, such a notion does not exist.

[Piratis]

Similarly Cyprus is a Greek island, and being Cypriot means that you are most probably Greek.

Unsubstantiated nonsense cannot be debated but ignored!

Where is your credible link to back your nonsense?

You want links. Here are some: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%2 ... ypriots%22

Or maybe you never realized that the vast majority of Cypriots are Greek which is why they are called ... surprise surprise GREEK Cypriots.

The main ethnic group in Cyprus are the Greeks. If you care about "links" then lets see how many links you can find that mention a Cypriot ethnicity.

What makes Cyprus Greek is what makes any territory Greek. The fact that the majority of the population is in fact Greek, now and for 1000s of years. And I repeat: The ONLY reason why Cyprus is not part of the Greek state is because the British and the Turks forced a separate Cypriot state (which would make it easier for themselves to continue to serve their interests on our expense).

You, Paphitis and some others were raised in foreign countries which is the reason of your identity crisis. You lost the Greek part of your identity since Greek was not your first language and you never really learned the history of this island. If you stay in those foreign countries then your descendants, after a couple of generations, will lose the Cypriot part of the identity as well and you would be fully assimilated.

[kimon07]

[quote="Get Real!"] 10,000 years ago the Chiorokitian 600 odd settlement wasn’t just a civilization but a metropolis!/quote]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khirokitia

“The population of the village at any one time is thought not to have exceeded 300 to 600 inhabitants. The people were rather short – the men about 1.61 m on average and the women about 1.51 m. Infant mortality was very high…..”
………
“The village of Choirokoitia was suddenly abandoned for reasons unknown at around 6000 BC and it seems that the island remained uninhabited for about 1.500 years until the next recorded entity, the Sotira group.”
And the Department of Antiquities, Government of Cyprushttp://www.mcw.gov.cy/mcw/DA/DA.nsf/All/4EF92D50616EFE49C225719 B00314171?OpenDocument

“The brilliant civilisation vanished suddenly, and no adequate explanation has been given regarding its disappearance. Choirokoitia, like other aceramic sites on the island, was abandoned and the island appears to have remained free from human presence for a long time, until the emergence of a new civilisation: the Ceramic Neolithic.”

And UNESCOhttp://whc.unesco.org/pg.cfm?cid=31&id_site=848

Historical Description
“During the Proto-Neolithic Period (c 8100 BC) there was ephemeral settlement by hunter-gatherers on Cyprus, but they are believed to abandoned the island after a short time. Permanent human occupation began in the Aceramic (Pre-Pottery) Proto-Neolithic Period, starting around 7000 BC, when the site at Choirokhoitia was founded, probably by people from Anatolia or the Levant…….,”

“For some reason not yet understood, Choirokhoitia and other Aceramic Proto-Neolithic sites were abandoned abruptly in the mid-6th millennium BC and were not reoccupied until a thousand years later, in what is known as the Ceramic Neolithic Period. There is less monumental evidence of occupation in the form of the remains of buildings from this period at Choirokhoitia, but new forms of plant and animal life, as well as the characteristic pottery, have been identified, suggesting that the new inhabitants were members of a fresh immigrant group.”