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by **repulsewarrior** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:38 pm

i stand in solidarity with the Greek people, and what i think was foisted on them is the tip of a form of exploitation that will engulf Europe and the rest of the world. it is the force of money that drives their misery, and it is a warfare of class that we see evolving.

indeed, the education of children is a primary reason why we remain locked in a battle which pits us against each other as "Nations" in Cyprus, as Cypriots. i remember my cousin, a very young person in 1974. she always thought that the Greek flag was the flag of Cyprus, it took the slaughter of half our family to realise that this was untrue. but i don't blame Greek people for that, it is still the plutocracy that knows no ethnic or international boundries that manipulated our fervour to have a sense of belonging, for their own personal benefit, that is to blame.

...and as i've said many times Greek (over a thousand years ago) then is as English now, a lingua franca which was shared by all people to facilitate exchange, social and economic, amongst them. have we learned anything from WW I, or by the movement which ended segregation in the USA? when i read forums like this one, on the internet, it is hard to believe that. just look at how, in these debates, people insult each other. there is always, it seems a superior race, when it comes to the assasination of character, when reason succumbs to frustration. there is still no realisation that there is one Human Race, and that our enemies, worth hating with all our hearts, are the Hunger, Disease, and Ignorance, which stalk us with a never ending brutality.

If you are prepared to dismiss someome because they are Greek or Turkish, or less of a Person because they do not reflect your identity, you are a "Greek" or a "Turk", or dare i say it a "Cypriot".

...as for identity in the '50's and '60's, i imagine that we held a closeness to our land, to our villages, because they sustained us and for the most part, they were the center of our lives. the British made us "Greeks" and "Turks", or "mixed" as it was where i lived, and in doing so we became pawns for the proxy war which developed from there.

there is a big difference between our identities as Nations and as States, the notion which was the driving force in Napolean III rise to power, although the the interchangability of these words seems to be hangng on, even after so many years, to be exploited by the leadership classes that stir up the patriotic fevers we seem to easily succumb to, Nations as States.

there is no racial "purity", and if there is, what does it have to do with our identity as Persons, or as Individuals?

by **Paphitis** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:57 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:i stand in solidarity with the Greek people, and what i think was foisted on them is the tip of a form of exploitation that will engulf Europe and the rest of the world. it is the force of money that drives their misery, and it is a warfare of class that we see evolving.

So what is the solution? Do away with money/capitalism? Then what will replace it? Communism or something else? Anarchy perhaps?

The above I think is far too convenient for a nation that has a habit of making excuses and blaming others for what is essentially their own fault. How can the above be true when other nations are making a go of it? Sure, they have their good and bad cycles, but fundamentally, the system works for them, and for now, there is no other alternative.

It is the nepotism and corruption that was a driving force and not capitalism itself. And unfortunately, this nepotism and corruption is so ingrained in their psyche/culture, from the grassroots and up. It is not correct to blame one class or another in Greece where you can get a job as a gardener in a hospital with no gardens. Unfortunately, that is the sad truth about Greece, and if they can eventually get out of this rut, then that will be good. If they do not, then Greece and its people have no future at all.

An audit recently done on one of the largest hospitals in Athens. This hospital was hemorrhaging Euros, and the Greek government is required to make up the deficit with capital injections. Officials began an inquiry into these losses and found 45 gardeners on staff at the hospital. The most interesting fact about the hospital was that it did not have a garden. The corruption is endemic in the society.

There is a discussion in another thread about the Greek Bushfires and how these were all supposedly lit by Turks. I remember that during the Karamanlis Administration there was strong speculation about Greek Property Developers lighting those fires, and anarchists that wanted to topple the Karamanlis Administration. Other claims of opposition supporters doing the same. Now, this is what I call a very sick society. Greeks lighting fires, which killed many people mind you, for monetary gain, or to cause the Government of the Day grief or for political gain. These are things I can not fathom.

And posters who get a bit too sensitive about any poster telling it the way it is, is doing Greece a great disservice. People have had enough.

by **Me Ed** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:38 pm

It wasn't just the British, it was also Greece and Turkey that stole our Cypriot identity for their own interests.

All Cypriots are the same and the DNA proves this.

by **kurupetos** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 6:02 pm

Me Ed wrote:It wasn't just the British, it was also Greece and Turkey that stole our Cypriot identity for their own interests.

All Cypriots are the same and the DNA proves this.

Do you know why? :roll:

by **repulsewarrior** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:11 pm

there are natural evolutions Paphitis, one cannot stop the Law of Entropy, whether it is in a Natural or Social Science. one can assume that what we are seeing in Greece is a symptom of this effect (or affect depending how you look at it). and on a lighter note, once again Greeks are ahead of the curve politically.

the people of Greece are now taking a long hard look at their political leadership which is a ruling class, more dark dark days are to follow, but i believe that out of it we'll see a leadership that does not conform to the elitist club that spans the families so well established, (and that is European (or Occidental if you prefer), not Greek), less open to the backroom dinner, and more open to the social democracy that we like to imagine is an ideal that Greeks once fostered.

...you spread shit, it's stink fades, and out of it new roots grow.

by **GreekIslandGirl** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:19 pm

Me Ed wrote:All Cypriots are the same and the DNA proves this.

All HUMANS are the 'same'. But not even DNA can prove that!

by **GreekIslandGirl** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:30 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:... once again Greeks are ahead of the curve politically.

Couldn't agree more.

P.S. - have you prepared for them a 'Manifesto'? :wink:

by **Me Ed** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:28 am

Well can a "Greek" explain why the Church of Cyprus is not part of the Church of Greece and why the Church of Crete does not and never has existed!

It's because even the Orthodox Church acknowledges that we are not the same.

by **GreekIslandGirl** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:34 am

Why don't you show us this piece of "DNA" which proves something so profound as you claim? First I've heard that DNA can classify a specific Nationality off the RoC passport! :roll:

by **Me Ed** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:39 am

When you understand what RoC actually means and stands for then I might bother giving you an answer.

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