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[Piratis]

Most ancient Cypriots came from Peloponnesus, which is why their language and culture prevailed, as they were the majority.

Unsubstantiated bollocks! Cyprus was inhabited way before Greece...

Not only what you said is wrong, but it is also irrelevant. The Greeks were not the first inhabitants in Cyprus (the Greeks were not the first inhabitants of mainland Greece either, the French were not the first inhabitants of what became France, the English were not the first inhabitants of what became England etc etc) but it is their language and culture that prevailed in Cyprus because they were the majority. Any groups that came to Cyprus before or after the Greeks were gradually assimilated.

If we go with your "logic" then the people of today are directly related to only the very first inhabitants of the territory they currently live on, as if no human migrations ever happened. You are obviously and absolutely wrong.

[kurupetos]

GR! posts his usual bollocks and then claims others talk bollocks.

Here you go. Read and weep , or in my case, laugh!

Permanent human occupation began in the Aceramic (pre-pottery) Proto-Neolithic period, starting around 7000 BC, when the Choirokhoitia site was founded, probably by people from Anatolia or the Levant - sedentary farmers, cultivating cereals and herding sheep, goats and pigs, all introduced from Asia Minor. For some reason Choirokhoitia and other sites were abandoned abruptly in the mid-6th millennium BC and were not reoccupied until 1,000 years later, in the Ceramic Neolithic period. There is less monumental evidence of occupation in the form of the remains of buildings from this period at Choirokhoitia, but new forms of plant and animal life, as well as the characteristic pottery, have been identified, suggesting that the new inhabitants were members of a fresh immigrant group, whose way of life was again based on agriculture and the raising of domestic animals. The site was finally abandoned in the early 4th millennium BC.

http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/848

[Piratis]

Piratis, you better read your links more carefully!

Homo Sapiens, evolved out of Africa 200,000 years ago, and 40,000 years ago they managed to migrate to Australia as your link correctly stated, and yet you stupidly claim that they were unable to migrate to Cyprus.

Like I said, you should ask for a refund for that education of yours!

As the link correctly shows there was no human presence in Cyprus that long ago. Do you have any evidence to the contrary? But as I said this is besides the point.

Let me ask you something: You live in Australia and I presume you are Australian citizen. Does this mean your ancestors are the pre-historic people of Australia? If say in 10 generations from now, your white descendants will not know that one of their ancestors was from Cyprus. Should they come to the conclusion that since they are Australians that their own ancestors must be the pre-historic people that lived in Australia? Because this is what your and GR's "logic" would tell them.

What you are missing is a thing called human migrations. Today the majority of Australians are white and they speak English, and that is no coincidence. It is because most of them came from Europe and England, and most of the minorities were gradually assimilated (you for example have English as your first language).

Similarly, it is no coincidence that we speak Greek and we have a Greek culture. It is because Greeks were the first to come in large numbers in Cyprus, and any groups that came before or after Greeks were gradually assimilated by the Greek majority.

Paphitis, do yourself a favor and don't downgrade your intelligence to the level of GR.

[repulsewarrior]

kurupetos, i'm surprised, a whole thread, 19 pages and you have not made this into a Jewish conspiracy.

[Paphitis]

Piratis, you better read your links more carefully!

Homo Sapiens, evolved out of Africa 200,000 years ago, and 40,000 years ago they managed to migrate to Australia as your link correctly stated, and yet you stupidly claim that they were unable to migrate to Cyprus.

Like I said, you should ask for a refund for that education of yours!

As the link correctly shows there was no human presence in Cyprus that long ago. Do you have any evidence to the contrary? But as I said this is besides the point.

Let me ask you something: You live in Australia and I presume you are Australian citizen. Does this mean your ancestors are the pre-historic people of Australia? If say in 10 generations from now, your white descendants will not know that one of their ancestors was from Cyprus. Should they come to the conclusion that since they are Australians that their own ancestors must be the pre-historic people that lived in Australia? Because this is what your and GR's "logic" would tell them.

What you are missing is a thing called human migrations. Today the majority of Australians are white and they speak English, and that is no coincidence. It is because most of them came from Europe and England, and most of the minorities were gradually assimilated (you for example have English as your first language).

Similarly, it is no coincidence that we speak Greek and we have a Greek culture. It is because Greeks were the first to come in large numbers in Cyprus, and any groups that came before or after Greeks were gradually assimilated by the Greek majority.

Paphitis, do yourself a favor and don't downgrade your intelligence to the level of GR.

I'm really sorry Piratis but when your link is stating that homo sapiens migrated to Australia 40,000 years ago and then you stupidly claim that they were unable to reach Cyprus as well, then you are clearly devoid of any common sense.

And by the same token, those illustrations above are junk.

You were making assertions about who was first and the evidence suggests that homo sapiens arrived in Cyprus first. You can say what you like but the fact of the matter is this, Cypriots pre date the Greeks, and the islanders of Cyprus have no genetic connection with Greeks at all.

In about 10,000 years, I bet no Australian will know who their ancestors are. Everyone's ancestry will no doubt be a blend of many. Therefore, there will exist an Australian ethnicity encompassing all, and I put it to you that they have managed this already. Australia will not be English and is not English today and who in 10,000 years who will not be able to claim Aboriginal Ancestry? Can anyone guarantee that they don't have Aboriginal Australian ancestors?

You are being very daft!

[GreekIslandGirl]

Cyprus was inhabited way before Greece...

Trying very hard to avoid getting embroiled in your chicken and egg, schoolyard games; but it's highly unlikely, GR!, that the 'landmass' of Cyprus was inhabited before any of the landmasses of the other Greek regions, in particular the mainland.

- There are much older examples, but fossils from 500,000+ years have been found in the Petralona Caves (Halkidiki) relating to proto-artisans.

I've asked you before to stop diminishing Cyprus' role with these constant comparisons of yours to the other, many, regions of the Greek nation. The whole is greater than the sum of the parts.

Just follow the arrow sweetheart...

NB: It is not the route of an airplane.

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Why don't you read the legend to your own figure? That's just ONE wave of migrations, and much later than the age of the proto-artisan remains found in northern Greece which I stated above.

[Get Real!]

My claims are VERY NATURAL AND LOGICAL because all I'm saying is that most Cypriots come from ancient Cypriots!

And ancient Cypriots came from somewhere else. Or maybe you thought they grew out of the land of Cyprus?

Unlike the Greeks who descended from Mt Olympus as cupids!

Most ancient Cypriots came from Peloponnesus, which is why their language and culture prevailed, as they were the majority.

Unsubstantiated bollocks! Cyprus was inhabited way before Greece...

You are wrong, yet again. Cyprus was one of the last parts in Europe to be inhabited by early humans. Greece was inhabited by modern humans by 30.000BCE and probably earlier.

Greece, like many other places (but not Cyprus) was inhabited even before that by Neanderthals:
http://www.stonepages.com/news/archives/004287.html

Hmm let’s see now… so the first humans were in modern day Ethiopia who made their way up to the Levant but for some funny reason missed Cyprus altogether and made their way to Greece and even Crete!

Be careful with Wiki Piratis…

[GreekIslandGirl]

Upon coming out of Ethiopia, boat-building was not the first priority. They migrated across the landmass before settling and turning to craft building.

[Paphitis]

My claims are VERY NATURAL AND LOGICAL because all I'm saying is that most Cypriots come from ancient Cypriots!

And ancient Cypriots came from somewhere else. Or maybe you thought they grew out of the land of Cyprus?

Unlike the Greeks who descended from Mt Olympus as cupids!

Most ancient Cypriots came from Peloponnesus, which is why their language and culture prevailed, as they were the majority.

Unsubstantiated bollocks! Cyprus was inhabited way before Greece...

You are wrong, yet again. Cyprus was one of the last parts in Europe to be inhabited by early humans. Greece was inhabited by modern humans by 30.000BCE and probably earlier.

Greece, like many other places (but not Cyprus) was inhabited even before that by Neanderthals:
http://www.stonepages.com/news/archives/004287.html

Hmm let’s see now… so the first humans were in modern day Ethiopia who made their way up to the Levant but for some funny reason missed Cyprus altogether and made their way to Greece and even Crete!

Be careful with Wiki Piratis…

And on the same token, they managed to get to Australia 40,000 years ago but not Cyprus according to Piratis.

Really sorry if I am making some spelling mistakes folks but I am posting from my phone and that can be frustrating.

Good night!

[Get Real!]

"some reason Choirokhoitia and other sites were abandoned abruptly in the mid-6th millennium BC and were not reoccupied until 1,000 years later,"

Right so given that Choirokitia existed at around 8,000BC to 6,000BC and your link says that it was abandoned and reoccupied 1,000 years later or at 5,000BC, then what exactly is the point you are trying to make besides the fact that you’ve got the IQ of an earthworm?