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[Kikapu]

Why should Turkey meet with a country they dont recognize in its current state?

Erdogan should have said YES to Christofias's offer and sent a plane from Ankara to Ercan to pick him up and see what would have then happened.

A missed opportunity for Erdogan.

It is obvious Erdogan doesn't have the ability to play "chess". He is ONLY good at demanding apologies from others which he never gets or making veil threats which nobody listens.

[Kikapu]

On a serious note, I think Christofias is putting Eroglu and Erdogan on notice, that, if the talks were to end without a settlement, from here on, he would not meet with ANY leader from the "trnc" in the future for ANY settlement talks and instead, will demand to talk with Turkey directly. Turkey is after all occupying northern part of Cyprus and is the ONLY authority in the north. This is what the UN will have to accept for any future settlement talks. Why waste time with those who do not have any power or authority to negotiate for settlement? He would want to deal with the puppeteer and not the puppet in the future!

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[bill cobbett]

On a serious note, I think Christofias is putting Eroglu and Erdogan on notice, that, if the talks were to end without a settlement, from here on, he would not meet with ANY leader from the "trnc" in the future for ANY settlement talks and instead, will demand to talk with Turkey directly. Turkey is after all occupying northern part of Cyprus and is the ONLY authority in the north. This is what the UN will have to accept for any future settlement talks. Why waste time with those who do not have any power or authority to negotiate for settlement? He would want to deal with the puppeteer and not the puppet in the future!

Puppeteer & Puppet.jpg

Yes, after all and for instance the ECHR accepts that Turkey and Turkey alone is the Occupying Power.

[Me Ed]

Turkey has no say in Cyprus, unless the TCs tell us that is who we are actually negotiating with????

[kimon07]

Terrible mistake to invite Turkey to talks with the RoC.
What shall we negotiate with Turkey? It's obligation to abide by the resolutions of the UN? Ridiculous move.
Our stance should be that we are only negotiating with the TCs the new internal arrangements (constitution etc) while Turkey should not be interfering and just get the hell out.

[Bananiot]

There are tactical issues involved here. Turkey will not meet the President of a country it does not recognise. The talks could open up to include the 3 guarantor powers and thus get Turkey involved. This was the idea put forward by Anastasiades of DISI. Then, if we go to such a meeting, critics argue, that our President would be reduced to a representative of the GC community and will be on an equal footing with Eroglu. In the meantime, years come and go and the situation on the ground consolidates. The Turkification of the north is complete and soon there will be no refugees from 1974 to return to the homelands. All these thanks to the bash patriots, who firstly made sure that Turkey, an obscure observer before 1955, became a key player in the Cyprus issue, due to their enosis demands. Later, the same bash patriots declared war on the average TC who was being targetted by TMT too and then presented Turkey with a golden opportunity with their fascist coup which now they like to call "coup of the Greek junta". Since 1974 the same destroyers of Cyprus have rejected all plans to save Cyprus and now the only thing they tell us is:

Turkey should not be interfering and just get the hell out.

It is as though we can close our eyes and wish Turkey to go away, like a bad dream.

[halil]

New message to Christofias from Turkey came out today..... He is well come to have FISH at Bosphorus .....i bet he get the message

[Kikapu]

Terrible mistake to invite Turkey to talks with the RoC.
What shall we negotiate with Turkey? It's obligation to abide by the resolutions of the UN? Ridiculous move.
Our stance should be that we are only negotiating with the TCs the new internal arrangements (constitution etc) while Turkey should not be interfering and just get the hell out.

The RoC has been negotiating with Turkey through the "trnc" leadership anyway, who are all puppets of Turkey and who have ZERO power to agree to anything with the RoC which Turkey does not want them to agree to, so what's the point going through the motions of make believe that the RoC is negotiating with the TCs themselves? The "trnc" is paid and owned by Turkey and TCs who genuinely want a settlement based on EU Principles are not allowed to become into the position of power and leadership of the "trnc" or the TCs. The RoC should start bringing in those TCs who do want a settlement based on EU Principles to speak with one voice against Turkey and against those TCs who do not want such a settlement. Let the International community see and hear the TCs within the RoC oppose the Turkish occupation and ask for it removed. The "trnc" is not controlled by the TCs, either politically or economically, despite the "trnc" administration being mainly TCs, but most of these politicians have sold their souls to Turkey long time ago, and very soon, they will be all replaced by the settlers one by one and then kicked out on the butts. Then they might start taking action against Turkey.

The RoC should build a "coalition of the willing" with those TCs who want a settlement based on EU Principles by bringing as many TCs as possible into it and by asking them to move to the south, so that there are enough TCs to counter those who are in the north, who would want to remain under the controls of Turkey. Once enough TCs are in the south with their own leaders elected, then the RoC should start recognising them as their "partners for peace" and for them jointly demand the International community to help remove the occupation and the settlers from the north. The RoC will help those TCs who really want a united Cypriots as one country by giving them a platform on a International stage from the safety of the south to oppose the occupation of the north by Turkey, without them facing any repercussions from those fascists in the north, who only see Turkey as their motherland first and foremost and are against a settlement based on EU Principles..

[kurupetos]

New message to Christofias from Turkey came out today..... He is well come to have FISH at Bosphorus .....i bet he get the message

He prefers sheftalia/souvlaki in free Kyrenia.

[kimon07]

Terrible mistake to invite Turkey to talks with the RoC.
What shall we negotiate with Turkey? It's obligation to abide by the resolutions of the UN? Ridiculous move.
Our stance should be that we are only negotiating with the TCs the new internal arrangements (constitution etc) while Turkey should not be interfering and just get the hell out.

The RoC has been negotiating with Turkey through the "trnc" leadership anyway,

NO no no. Turkey has nothing to negotiate with us as far as the invasion is concerned. It must simply get the f* out.
Turkey should not be recognized the right to have a saying in our "family affairs" with the TCs. None of her bloody business.
Encourage the TCs come to the South? And leave the North to the Anatolian Mongols? They will increase to 1M in no time at all.
Encourage the TCs to become EU citizens? YES. All they have to do is become RoC citizens once more. And help them apply to the UN, the EU, the Council of Europe and ALL international fora demanding to have their country and their lives back.