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[bg_turk]

Ok, whats next? Bulgaria will say that they want to be called Greece?

This will never happen!

Claiming the achievements and culture of another civilization is not part of "freedom". The freedom of stealing does not exist. Macedonians were part of the Greek civilization and this is undeniable. Why would these people have Greek names and spread the Greek civilization if they were not Greeks?

Macedonian achievements were never greek achievements. Those barbarians managed to form an empire that greeks have never even dreamt of. Your only association with them is that they ruled your ancestors and spread your culture. Because their empire was so great you are now trying to adopt it as your own, you are trying to steal it.


By the way are you Greek or Greek cypriot?
If you are greek cypriot what is your association with Alexandar Makedonski?

[Piratis]

Macedonian achievements were never greek achievements. Those barbarians managed to form an empire that greeks have never even dreamt of. Your only association with them is that they ruled your ancestors and spread your culture. Because their empire was so great you are now trying to adopt it as your own, you are trying to steal it.

The answer comes from the real Macedonians. They were Greeks, they had Greek names and they spread the Greek civilization.
I ask you again: If they were not Greeks then why they had Greek names and they spread the Greek civilization?
You say that you are Bulgarian Turk. Why is that?
Why Turkish Cypriots are Turkish Cypriots?

By the way are you Greek or Greek cypriot?

Greek Cypriot.

[bg_turk]

The answer comes from the real Macedonians. They were Greeks, they had Greek names and they spread the Greek civilization.

They were not greek. They used greek names and alphabet, as did many bulgairan kings, because of you advanced culture. THey viewed greeks as very advanced, but did not consider themselves greek. This is beyond doubt, any serious historian would tell you that. Their empire was not called the greek empire, it was called macedonian empire. They never described themselves as greeks, but as makedons. They even avoided intermarriage with greeks.

I ask you again: If they were not Greeks then why they had Greek names and they spread the Greek civilization?

Othelios was a thracian in the Rhodope mountains, but his name was greek as well. Most bulgarian names have greek origin. My name is arabic, am I an arab? Seljuk turks spread arabic culture and islam are they arabs?

You say that you are Bulgarian Turk. Why is that?

I awlays say I am a turk from Bulgaria, other people call me bulgarian turk. I describe myself as a bulgarian citizen of turkish origin. I am turkish ethnically and that is all, i have no association with bulgariannes other than living in a state which names itself bulgarian and speaks bulgarian.

Why Turkish Cypriots are Turkish Cypriots?

Because they are turks who live on the island of Cyprus. By turk i do not mean citizens of Turkey, but members of a certain ethnic group.

[Piratis]

bg_turk, Macedonians were called like that in the same way that Athenians were called Athenians and the Spartans were called Spartans.

Because they are turks who live on the island of Cyprus. By turk i do not mean citizens of Turkey, but members of a certain ethnic group.

And what makes them members of this ethnic group? The answer is not the genes, since the DNA of TCs is very close to that of GCs and not to the one of Turks.

[Alexis]

THey viewed greeks as very advanced, but did not consider themselves greek. This is beyond doubt, any serious historian would tell you that

Would you mind posting some independent sources that support this claim?

[akiner]

And what makes them members of this ethnic group? The answer is not the genes, since the DNA of TCs is very close to that of GCs and not to the one of Turks.

Piratis, these ppl are capable to speak one of any turkic dialects and describes themselves as turk, so being a turk is not that difficult. It is not important to look flesh or bones of someone to decide his/her turkicness... So even u can be one of us, just learn a dialect and we will take care the rest of the process:)

[Alexios]

Why is it so important??? This is both a real and a rhetorical question..

[Alexios]

Sorry, the question is..why do people need to belong to an ethnic group..

[bg_turk]

bg_turk, Macedonians were called like that in the same way that Athenians were called Athenians and the Spartans were called Spartans.

You may recite greek propaganda about the ethnic origin of the macedonians until your mouth goes dry, for all I care this simply will not change the history and facts.

http://faq.macedonia.org/history/ancien ... icity.html

Contrary to modern Greek claims, Macedonia was never part of Greece, and the ancient Macedonians were not regarded as ancient Greeks. Quite the opposite – the Macedonians conquered Greece and enslaved the Greeks for centuries until Rome conquered Macedonia in 168 BC. The purpose of these pages therefore is:

To provide the reader with documented evidence for all these assertions above.
To show the reader that ancient Macedonians could not have been Greeks based on all documented evidence.
That ancient Macedonians conquered Greece and did not unite the Greek city-states.
That ancient Macedonians did not regard the Greeks as their kindred.
Alexander the Great was not a Greek king, did not regard the Greeks as kinsmen.
Alexander's Macedonian Army was not a Greek army.
Alexander's Macedonian conquest was not a Greek conquest.
Ancient Macedonians were just that - Macedonians, and looked down upon the Hellenes with contempt.
It will provide scholarly evidence that the ancient Macedonians:

hired mercenaries from Greece, and used the Greeks as foreign allies.
razed Greek cities to the ground.
sold the Greek inhabitants as slaves.
pillaged and burnt Greek cities and countryside.
garrisoned Greek cities (a sure sign of servitude).
were asked to evacuate from the whole of Greece back to their own Macedonia by the Romans.
were hated and cursed by the Greeks.
destroyed Greek religious temples and monuments.
enslaved the Greeks.
were not regarded as Greeks (Hellenes) by the Greeks, nor they regarded themselves to be Greek, but were proud of their Macedonian nationality and way of life.
the Macedonians were called barbarians, a label that the ancient Greeks attributed only to all non-Greeks.
Here you will find evidence, both ancient and modern, that proves that the ancient Macedonians were not Greeks, evidence that is indeed overwhelming. To the ancient peoples and to the ancient authors that was not a matter for debate; it was simply an accomplished fact.

[bg_turk]

Sorry, the question is..why do people need to belong to an ethnic group..

For the modern state of Greece macedonians needed to belong to the ethnic group of the greeks, so that Greece could justify its claim over Macedonia during the second Balkan war (1912) to the detriment of all of its slavic inhabitants.