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Did Makarios ever give up Enosis?

Postby Lordo » Sun Jan 01, 2012 2:16 pm

Has anyone ever seen a single statement by Makarios to that effect?

In fact has the Political parties ever given up the idea. Just a single statement by any of the political leaders will do. I gather Akel has denounced enosis in the 90s. Is this correct?
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Re: Did Makarios ever give up Enosis?

Postby EricSeans » Sun Jan 01, 2012 2:40 pm

Lordo wrote:Has anyone ever seen a single statement by Makarios to that effect?

In fact has the Political parties ever given up the idea. Just a single statement by any of the political leaders will do. I gather Akel has denounced enosis in the 90s. Is this correct?


What's the point of a statement? I think we can safely say the idea of Enosis is dead. What GC in their right mind would firstly want to unite with a foreign country and secondly a country that is an economic basket case?

If I were a GC reading your post I would consider it provocative.
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Re: Did Makarios ever give up Enosis?

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sun Jan 01, 2012 3:15 pm

Lordo wrote:Has anyone ever seen a single statement by Makarios to that effect?

In fact has the Political parties ever given up the idea. Just a single statement by any of the political leaders will do. I gather Akel has denounced enosis in the 90s. Is this correct?


A falling leaf returns to its roots! :D - See. it's pointless to go against nature.

- We have Enosis through the EU; thank you very much and a Happy New year to you (if you celebrate this one instead of the Chinese NY.)
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Re: Did Makarios ever give up Enosis?

Postby Sotos » Sun Jan 01, 2012 6:22 pm

Why should that happen when Cyprus is a Greek island? :? To satisfy a small minority of Turks who should have never come to our island? The solution is not to change a Greek island to fit the foreign Turks, the solution is to send the Turks back to their homeland in Central Asia where they fit. Turks are incompatible with Cypriots and European people in general.
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Re: Did Makarios ever give up Enosis?

Postby supporttheunderdog » Sun Jan 01, 2012 6:54 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Lordo wrote:Has anyone ever seen a single statement by Makarios to that effect?

In fact has the Political parties ever given up the idea. Just a single statement by any of the political leaders will do. I gather Akel has denounced enosis in the 90s. Is this correct?


A falling leaf returns to its roots! :D - See. it's pointless to go against nature.

- We have Enosis through the EU; thank you very much and a Happy New year to you (if you celebrate this one instead of the Chinese NY.)


also means you have enosis with Britain ---- what does that mean for the bases....
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Re: Did Makarios ever give up Enosis?

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sun Jan 01, 2012 7:09 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Lordo wrote:Has anyone ever seen a single statement by Makarios to that effect?

In fact has the Political parties ever given up the idea. Just a single statement by any of the political leaders will do. I gather Akel has denounced enosis in the 90s. Is this correct?


A falling leaf returns to its roots! :D - See. it's pointless to go against nature.

- We have Enosis through the EU; thank you very much and a Happy New year to you (if you celebrate this one instead of the Chinese NY.)


also means you have enosis with Britain ---- what does that mean for the bases....



Unfortunately, Britain's days in the EU are numbered. It's moribund as far as decision making goes. As for bases, thanks to the EU they are almost completely back under RoC administration. They're probably the only reason Britain thinks twice about leaving the EU altogether, because then they will have to relinquish any remaining control to the RoC-EU.

Perhaps, the RoC in its current status of EU defence masters, should consider putting into motion their conversion to EU bases ... :)
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Re: Did Makarios ever give up Enosis?

Postby kimon07 » Sun Jan 01, 2012 7:18 pm

Lordo wrote:Has anyone ever seen a single statement by Makarios to that effect?

In fact has the Political parties ever given up the idea. Just a single statement by any of the political leaders will do. I gather Akel has denounced enosis in the 90s. Is this correct?


Happy 2012 :lol: With lots of gas :mrgreen:
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Re: Did Makarios ever give up Enosis?

Postby supporttheunderdog » Sun Jan 01, 2012 8:31 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Lordo wrote:Has anyone ever seen a single statement by Makarios to that effect?

In fact has the Political parties ever given up the idea. Just a single statement by any of the political leaders will do. I gather Akel has denounced enosis in the 90s. Is this correct?


A falling leaf returns to its roots! :D - See. it's pointless to go against nature.

- We have Enosis through the EU; thank you very much and a Happy New year to you (if you celebrate this one instead of the Chinese NY.)


also means you have enosis with Britain ---- what does that mean for the bases....



Unfortunately, Britain's days in the EU are numbered. It's moribund as far as decision making goes. As for bases, thanks to the EU they are almost completely back under RoC administration. They're probably the only reason Britain thinks twice about leaving the EU altogether, because then they will have to relinquish any remaining control to the RoC-EU.

Perhaps, the RoC in its current status of EU defence masters, should consider putting into motion their conversion to EU bases ... :)


The EU needs Britain - Britain is a net contributor - beyond it would not surprise me if one of the PIGS did not leave first, or rather is invited to leave as the rest of Europe gets fed up with the repeated bail-outs, and In any event with the possible collapse of the Euro the whole EU edifice could unravel ande their might be nothing left for Britain to leave.
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Re: Did Makarios ever give up Enosis?

Postby Hermes » Sun Jan 01, 2012 8:51 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote: beyond it would not surprise me if one of the PIGS did not leave first, or rather is invited to leave as the rest of Europe gets fed up with the repeated bail-outs,

There are two things wrong with this statement. Firstly, there is no legal mechanism by which a member of the EU can be "invited" to leave the EU. Secondly, Greece’s eurozone partners are lending this money, not gifting it.

In other words, those contributing to the "bail-outs" are making a profit on their investment and the majority of their money is being returned to European banks that have in the past bought Greek bonds. These banks are mainly German and French Banks which would collapse without these "bail-outs" because they lent recklessly and are technically insolvent as a result.
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Re: Did Makarios ever give up Enosis?

Postby repulsewarrior » Sun Jan 01, 2012 9:05 pm

...several indications come to mind:

1) the coup started with an assasination attempt of Makarios.

2) Makarios ordering the expulsion of Greek officers before the coup.

3) the fact that Greek Cypriots did not rise up with the coupists.

4) Makarios' speech to the UN after the coup.

5) the Parlimentry report published recently regarding the events of 1974.
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