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[supporttheunderdog]

Cyprus was not a country, but an island like every other Greek island. Becoming a separate country (with some pseudo independence) instead of becoming part of the Greek state as it happened with most other Greek islands was not the choice of the Cypriot people, but the choice of the British and the Turks who wanted to keep Cyprus isolated from the rest of our nation so they could continue to serve their interests on our expense.

Our nation is the Greek nation and this has been the case even before the creation of the Greek state. If we were not Greeks how would we turned into Greeks while Cyprus was under the rule of the Turks and the British? If the Greeks had some magical powers to turn non-Greeks into Greeks from thousands of miles away, then why didn't they turn the whole world into Greeks?

Those who ruled and oppressed Cyprus were the ones who attempted the genocide of our nation in Cyprus and YOU are one of the victims. Unfortunately for the British and the Turks, victims like yourself are only a small minority, and their attempt to commit a genocide of the Greek nation in Cyprus has failed.

Bullshit bullshit it all reads like bullshit to me to me.

you know every time you and the female counterpart and others of that ilk continue to promote enosis and sending the Turkish Cypriots back to Turkey then te Tur*s rub their hands with Glee because it gives them all the excuse they need to to say they are they to protect the Turkish Cypriots: GR is absolutely right, and so is bananiot, on this issue.

[Bananiot]

Kimon, you have got it wrong again. This tiny megalomaniac wanted enosis more than you would ever imagine. He rejected every plan - no matter how good it was - that inherently left enosis out of the equation. He was forced to sign in 1959 - he had no choice - EOKA was totally finished by then having killed about 260 Cypriots (mostly GC) and about 105 Brits, including 17 year old girls. He thought he was clever enough to bring enosis from the back door and in fact he seriously entertained the idea to use the agreements as a stepping stone to achieve enosis. He rejected the very good agreement Klerides reached with Denktash in the early 70's because it precisely excluded any possibility of enosis. This megalomaniac (whom you hate, I gather, for the wrong reasons, though) had more in mind than emulating Nasser. He wanted his name to be written in gold letters in the history of Cyprus, as the person who united Cyprus with mother Greece. He wanted to become the ethnarch of the whole Greek nation. He did talk about the feasible (εφικτό) instead of the desirable (ευκταίο), after the bird had flown. Your guess is as good as mine whether he meant it or not. One more thing Kimon. You always support that the other side shoulders the blame for everything and that we were hard done by. Do you not give any credit to the other side that they may have some valid arguments?

[Piratis]

Cyprus was not a country, but an island like every other Greek island. Becoming a separate country (with some pseudo independence) instead of becoming part of the Greek state as it happened with most other Greek islands was not the choice of the Cypriot people, but the choice of the British and the Turks who wanted to keep Cyprus isolated from the rest of our nation so they could continue to serve their interests on our expense.

Our nation is the Greek nation and this has been the case even before the creation of the Greek state. If we were not Greeks how would we turned into Greeks while Cyprus was under the rule of the Turks and the British? If the Greeks had some magical powers to turn non-Greeks into Greeks from thousands of miles away, then why didn't they turn the whole world into Greeks?

Those who ruled and oppressed Cyprus were the ones who attempted the genocide of our nation in Cyprus and YOU are one of the victims. Unfortunately for the British and the Turks, victims like yourself are only a small minority, and their attempt to commit a genocide of the Greek nation in Cyprus has failed.

Bullshit bullshit it all reads like bullshit to me to me.

you know every time you and the female counterpart and others of that ilk continue to promote enosis and sending the Turkish Cypriots back to Turkey then te Tur*s rub their hands with Glee because it gives them all the excuse they need to to say they are they to protect the Turkish Cypriots: GR is absolutely right, and so is bananiot, on this issue.

The fact is that the vast majority of Cypriots wanted enosis, and the British and Turks denied this to us because they wanted to serve their own interests on our expense.

Beyond that anybody can create excuses. Excuses are cheap and as long as they want to occupy Cyprus they can create some lame excuse for it. I remind you that the first time the Turks invaded our island in 1570 there were no TCs to "save". Probably they had some other stupid excuse back then. Hitler invaded Czechoslovakia with the same excuse that Turks used to invade Cyprus.

I didn't say that the TCs should be send to Turkey. Muslim minorities were created in all Christian territories that Ottomans occupied, and the Muslim minority in Cyprus can continue to live here in the same way they live in Rhodes, Western Thrace, Bulgaria etc.

Furthermore I am not an enosis supporter. I am a supporter of the freedom and the self-determination right of the Cypriot people. No foreigner should tell us what we should do with our own island. If we want enosis that is what we should have and it is none of your or Turkey's business.

Apparently you are not a supporter of the freedom and self-determination right of the Cypriot people, since you think that our freedom and self-determination should be restricted within the desires of the British and Turkish Imperialists and that if we want anything for our own island which is not approved by the above mentioned Imperialists, we should not be allowed to have it. Isn't that right?

[humanist]

Good post Piratis, however the bit about self determination of Cypriot people is where we get problems because the TC community do not want to identify as cypriot because they have a great attachment to the Turkish bit.

[kimon07]

Kimon, you have got it wrong again.

I will not repeat myself arguing the same points over and over again. However I would appreciate if you elaborated with facts and links on two items:

1.The killing of 260 Cypriots by EOKA.
2. The content of the Clerides-Denktash agreement of 1973.
Thanks in advance.

[Bananiot]

Another childish post by Piratis who has shown time and time again how the simplistic mind works. Had we been making this debate before the Greeks came to Cyprus, undoubtedly he would have substituted "Turk" for "Greek" simply without looking at the geostrategical, economical and other factors which are more important than the "we are more than you" practice of his. Perhaps I can make it easier for him to understand. Had Cyprus been in the middle of the Pacific, nobody would give twopence about it. We would still be wearing straw skirts and no Greeks, Phoenicians, Venetians, Ottomans, Brits (not so sure about them, they went to Falklands didn't they) or Turks would bother with us. I wonder whether we would like that though.

[Bananiot]

Kimon, both are well documented in a number of books. I suggest you start with "Pikres Alitheies" by Pavlos M. Digklis. I think you can find the names of all GC murdered by EOKA on the internet. I will check it out.

[Bananiot]

Here is a start:

http://www.makarios.eu/cgibin/hweb?-A=7 ... %CF%CA%C1@

[kurupetos]

Kimon, both are well documented in a number of books. I suggest you start with "Pikres Alitheies" by Pavlos M. Digklis. I think you can find the names of all GC murdered by EOKA on the internet. I will check it out.

Any traitor can write a book. Who cares?

[Piratis]

Another childish post by Piratis who has shown time and time again how the simplistic mind works. Had we been making this debate before the Greeks came to Cyprus, undoubtedly he would have substituted "Turk" for "Greek" simply without looking at the geostrategical, economical and other factors which are more important than the "we are more than you" practice of his. Perhaps I can make it easier for him to understand. Had Cyprus been in the middle of the Pacific, nobody would give twopence about it. We would still be wearing straw skirts and no Greeks, Phoenicians, Venetians, Ottomans, Brits (not so sure about them, they went to Falklands didn't they) or Turks would bother with us. I wonder whether we would like that though.

This must be the most stupid post you ever wrote.

We are living in the 21st century, not in the middle ages or the era of hunter gatherers, and still Bananiot does not recognize principles such as democracy, freedom and self-determination. Using the logic of Bananiot, the Nazis did nothing wrong. They didn't bother to invade countries in the middle of the Pacific, they just invaded and oppressed those who had "geostrategical, economical and other factors" . And some of those even had German minorities, so that should fully excuse them.