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[Piratis]

Get Real, Cyprus being a Greek island received books like all other Greek islands. Isn't this obvious? The books didn't turn us into Greeks, we were already Greeks, which is why we wanted the books.

If all that was needed to turn the inhabitants of an island into Greeks was to send to them free Greek books then why didn't they also send them to Malta, Sardinia, Corsica etc? And if Turkey would tomorrow stat sending to us free Turkish books, would we turn into Turks? Sorry my friend, but your arguments are lame.

Maybe one day you'll be able to explain to your self (don’t worry about me) how and when you became “Greek” because I'm sure the feeling would be even better if there was some realism to it.

It’s like the difference between taking cocaine and crack cocaine…

I am Greek because I was born on a Greek island with Greek parents, Greek grandparents, Greek great grandparents and so on an and so forth. I have the same ethnic identity as my ancestors did, and, unlike you, I am not going to let any British or Turks to change my identity to whatever suits them. The imperialists should understand that while they can create a lot of problems to Cyprus, one thing that they can not do is to tell us who we are.

[Bananiot]

Piratis, I cannot really help you if what you understood from my last post is that humanity should have capitulated to Hitler.

[Piratis]

Piratis, I cannot really help you if what you understood from my last post is that humanity should have capitulated to Hitler.

But that is exactly what you said. Greece for example should not have fought the Italians and the Germans against all odds in 1940 and 1941. They should have welcomed the Nazis with open arms, be nice slaves to them, and only when the Americans entered the war and defeating the Nazis became feasible, then and only then the Greeks should have fought against the Nazis. Isn't this exactly what you are saying? Maybe Greece would suffer much less during WWII if they followed this route. But would this be the patriotic thing to do?

[Bananiot]

Oh dear, it is wore than I thought.

[humanist]

For crying out loud ...... 35 years later and people still talking about Enosis. The subject matter everyone comes back too when they have no vision of a future.

[Piratis]

Oh dear, it is wore than I thought.

You are simply not able to defend your position. According to you "All parameters are taken into consideration and attainable targets are set" by "true patriots". But with the examples I gave it became clear that patriots are those who fight even when the odds are against them, not those who fight for an "attainable target". Defending Greece in 1940 and 41 was not considered an "attainable target", and yet fighting for freedom against all odds was the patriotic thing to do.

[kurupetos]

The only mistake with the Enosis campaign of the 50s was the inability of Greece to support it.

Damned if they could, damned if they could not!

If they did outwardly support Enosis, they would be accused of expansionism, or enforced annexation, or something like that by our Divide and Rule Brit/Turk "forces" (later, "unleashed" to quote some lily-liver).

They couldn't and unfortunately they still can't. Our only choice is to annex Greece.

[Lordo]

All this posts and not one mention of the original post. DidMakarios ever say he no longer believes in Enosis, if so when, where and to who.

I seem to remember a meeting he attended before Jul 74 and his supporters shouting Oxi Enosis. He was then asked whether his supporters were turning against Enosis. He explained, of course not, they were not shouting Oxi Enosis they were shouting Oxi Anohi?

When you also consider that Clerides and Dengtash came to an agreement in 1973 about the 13 amendments which specifically excluded Enosis, and he refused it? what more evidence do you need?

To me that says he still believed in Enosis till !974.

Perhaps that's why the Generals got impatient with him thinking the Cypriots were turning against enosis. After all they tried to kill him at least 4 times.

[Bananiot]

"Anohi" means tolerance. His supporters asked him to show zero tolerance to those that wanted him dead. Makarios showed plenty of anohi, not because he was a priest but because he could not lay a hand on those who were merely in a rush to bring enosis. Tactics differed not targets.

[kimon07]

When you also consider that Clerides and Dengtash came to an agreement in 1973 about the 13 amendments which specifically excluded Enosis, and he refused it?

To my logic? Simple: By 1973 Makarios had got addicted to power and the presidency and he could not dream of giving them, up. By that time, with the support of the AKEL, he was envisaging himeslf as the new Nasser. If a solution was achieved he would have to step down, declare elections (which he was postponing continuoussly since he climed to the presidency using the "state of emergency" as an excuse) and he would have to hand over power to the elected politicians. Now, he could not do that could he? No No No. He had a noble international task to perform And certainly Enosis would be an obstacle to that grate aspiration of his.
Anyone remembers when he started distinguishing between the wishful (Enosis) - achievable goal (efktaion-eficton)?