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[GreekIslandGirl]

The only mistake with the Enosis campaign of the 50s was the inability of Greece to support it.

Damned if they could, damned if they could not!

If they did outwardly support Enosis, they would be accused of expansionism, or enforced annexation, or something like that by our Divide and Rule Brit/Turk "forces" (later, "unleashed" to quote some lily-liver).

[Get Real!]

As per usual you’re posting unsubstantiated fantasies and are a good example of a mentally damaged child that was growing up in the early 70s in Cyprus under Greece’s imposed education system and many other maniacal attempts to obliterate the Cypriot culture and replace it with theirs.

How did you avoid getting 'damaged'?

I was an extremely inquisitive boy who tried to apply logic and understanding from a very young age. When my father bought me a green pencil case with a yellow Cyprus on it I studied it carefully and noted the major towns and overall layout.

Later, I recall one time when I was 7 or 8 and a national holiday (most likely Greek) was approaching and the teacher handed out small pieces of paper onto which we were asked to draw and color the flag. All the kids set about drawing a cross in the top left hand corner and forming horizontal stripes which they colored in blue! I however drew the outline of the island Cyprus (which I could see on my pencil case) and painted it yellow because I had seen the flag of Cyprus elsewhere and it edged in my brain!

At some point the young female teacher started making her way round to each pupil to check on their progress with little comments like “Good” or “You left out this” and “Color it in better” and such, until she got to me.

In a horrified stare she asked “What’s that??” and I said “It’s the flag Miss!” and no sooner did I finish my sentence that she swiped her palm across my ear and cheek and nearly sent me off my chair!

It was the very moment in my life when I knew we had a problem in our country. It was as if aliens had infiltrated our country and were coercing us in a direction of their choice.

With that incident my resistance was firmly implanted; a tiny seed that would gradually mature into a tree…I knew well who I was and no amount of coercion was going to change that.

[Get Real!]

This thread has made me realise how catastrophic it is to deny our true Nature.

The Cypriot majority wanted to be identified naturally as part of the Greek Nation - and they were DENIED this right and look where it has gotten us! In the hands of Turks and Colonialist-minded Brits.

It is NOT up to individuals to “identify” as whatever they please and especially if they’ve been SCHOOLED to “identify” as something from 500 miles away so as to advance the interests of a foreigner!!!

You don’t need me to tell you what this constitutes!

[Piratis]

Piratis,

As per usual you’re posting unsubstantiated fantasies and are a good example of a mentally damaged child that was growing up in the early 70s in Cyprus under Greece’s imposed education system and many other maniacal attempts to obliterate the Cypriot culture and replace it with theirs.

You are a victim of this attempted genocide and to this day unable to overcome the implanted ideologies in your brain to the point where you have manufactured a “history” book in your head that nobody else outside of this fascist “Hellenism” cancer seems to agree with.

The first clue that someone is terribly mentally sick is when they propagate and guard the false notion that “Cyprus is or was a Greek island”. But if we look at history the territory of modern Greece was under Ottoman occupation between the years 1458 and 1828. That’s a total of 370 years when not only did Greece NOT exist but she couldn’t have had any control or claim on Cyprus whatsoever!

Between the years 1571 and 1878 Cyprus was under the Ottoman occupation and immediately after that under a British occupation right up to 1960! Once again a period during which Greece couldn’t have had any claim on Cyprus whatsoever!

If I go further back in history the only known regional empire was that of the Eastern Roman (nowadays scholarly called the “Byzantine Empire”) which existed from about 500AD and until 1453AD when Istanbul was finally captured by Ottomans. Once again a period during which Greece couldn’t have had any control or claim on Cyprus whatsoever and did not even exist!

Yet, despite all these facts you are still unable to compose reality in your brain today due to the total and irreversible damage the Greece-imposed education inflicted on your brain!

So what would you like us to do now? Invent a story that a couple of ”Greek” fishermen from the island of Rhodes crashed into the Paphian rocks, found the island deserted and established a “Greek” colony on Cyprus in 3000BC to accommodate your fantasies? Are you happy with the castaway fairytale?

Greece (the modern state) was never in power to impose anything in Cyprus. As you said yourself there was not even a Greek state until relatively recently, and Cyprus was under Turks, British and others. So how could the Greeks (if we suppose they are something different from us) impose anything on Cyprus?

What you said above proves the exact opposite of what you wanted to prove. If we were all British, then you could say that we were turned into British by force during the British rule. If we were all Turks, then you could say that we were all turned into Turks during Ottoman rule. But since, as you said, we were never part of any Greek state, then how could a Greek identity being forced on us? Would the British, Turks, Venetians etc, force on Cyprus a Greek identity? Of course not. And would some other Greeks elsewhere, powerless and without even a state of their own, Hellenize the island in some magical way while Cyprus was under some foreign rulers? Of course not. We are Greek today because that is how we have been for millennia.

Today there is no Kurdish state. Does this mean that there is no Kurdish Nation and no Kurdish people? And if a Kurdish State is founded, say in northern Iraq, would it mean that the Kurds who live beyond the borders of this initial Kurdish State are not Kurds anymore?

I am sorry Get Real, but your arguments are laughable. Not only the Greek identity was not imposed in Cyprus in recent decades as your baseless, ridiculous and unhistorical position claims, but on the contrary there has been an attempt by British and Turks to destroy our Greek identity with the aim to isolate Cyprus from the rest of our nation, making it easier for themselves to continue to abuse Cyprus. You are one of the few victims of this attempt. From what I understand Greek is not even your first language. You can be whatever you want to be, but it is about time you realized that the ethnic identity of the vast majority of Cypriots is Greek and that is how it has been for a long long time.

[Get Real!]

Greece (the modern state) was never in power to impose anything in Cyprus. As you said yourself there was not even a Greek state until relatively recently, and Cyprus was under Turks, British and others. So how could the Greeks (if we suppose they are something different from us) impose anything on Cyprus?

What you said above proves the exact opposite of what you wanted to prove. If we were all British, then you could say that we were turned into British by force during the British rule. If we were all Turks, then you could say that we were all turned into Turks during Ottoman rule. But since, as you said, we were never part of any Greek state, then how could a Greek identity being forced on us? Would the British, Turks, Venetians etc, force on Cyprus a Greek identity? Of course not. And would some other Greeks elsewhere, powerless and without even a state of their own, Hellenize the island in some magical way while Cyprus was under some foreign rulers? Of course not. We are Greek today because that is how we have been for millennia.

But you know very well that by the start of the 20th century the British had relaxed conditions on Cyprus and this unfortunately allowed Greece to infiltrate Cyprus and begin her “You are Greeks” campaign which culminated into the October 1931 uprising!

Thanks to Greece, from that day on everything just went downhill for Cyprus!

[repulsewarrior]

...you said it Bananiot, Nationalist were the threat, these are not the exclusive domain of any ethnicity.

...and to end this threat, WWIII, Cyprus should belong to no one; this is the truth. dividing it amongst the interlocutors may avoid the devestation it has caused for a while, but it will remain a trigger for the future; ideal for "them", not for the Cypriots who will continue to be manipulated, subjugated to their continuous proxy war.

...so, if we learn from mistakes, let's be clear: "Turks" and "Greeks" are the same, Greeks and Turks must continue the struggle against their Intolerance. as citizens of the world, Cypriots respect the richness of this island's cultural heritage, they are fighting for a State and not their National identities.

language as an Imperialist tool is powerful, i wish you would consider that our language in Cyprus must change to deny its affect, or the future will always be something which denies the wrongs we suffered in the past. placing the blame on one party or the other, TMT or EOKA places us among the enemy of us all...

[Get Real!]

The October 1931 uprisings marked a turning point for Cyprus for it was the day the British went from liking us to hating us!

And who can blame them? They were the only occupiers who bothered to improve the lives of the locals by building roads, schools, government departments, stimulating employment, and so forth, and all of a sudden the Cypriot fools were on the streets cheering on a fucked up piss-pot of a country (Greece) that couldn’t even feed its own people let alone help Cyprus!

Yes, I’d be pretty pissed off myself… it was the day we lost the game.

[Piratis]

What we should be discussing is not whether the majority of the GC's wanted or not enosis, but why, almost in its entirety, the GC community wanted enosis. I said in the past that usually the will of the majority shapes the way in which things move, but legal or moral right is not enough in situations like ours. A sane man would have seen in 1950 that going flat out for enosis (or self determination as we used to call it) would unleash forces that we could not control. However, sane people were scared to death to let their enlightenment shine in those days. The word "traitor" came easy to the lips of the bash patriots, like it does today. These bash patriots killed Cyprus!

Who attempted to kill Cyprus are the British and the Turks and those traitors who helped these imperialists to achieve their aims.

Why we wanted enosis? Why did the Rhodians want enosis? Why did the Cretans want enosis? Why did any Greek wanted a united free Greek state? Our nation had been under foreign rulers for centuries. What we wanted was a free Greek state. And of course we wanted a united free Greek state that would be strong and able to protect itself, not a separate statelet for each Greek island and village. The first Greek state was just half of what Greece is today. Then gradually more regions and islands were liberated and united (enosis) with the initial Greek state. This is what should have happened to Cyprus as well.

Those "forces" that you talk about have always existed. Fighting for freedom is never easy and if you side with the invaders because fighting for freedom is hard, then you are indeed a traitor. We will continue our struggle for freedom and we are not going to settle for anything less.

If we made one mistake is that we stated our armed struggle too late. We should have started right after WWII.

[Piratis]

Greece (the modern state) was never in power to impose anything in Cyprus. As you said yourself there was not even a Greek state until relatively recently, and Cyprus was under Turks, British and others. So how could the Greeks (if we suppose they are something different from us) impose anything on Cyprus?

What you said above proves the exact opposite of what you wanted to prove. If we were all British, then you could say that we were turned into British by force during the British rule. If we were all Turks, then you could say that we were all turned into Turks during Ottoman rule. But since, as you said, we were never part of any Greek state, then how could a Greek identity being forced on us? Would the British, Turks, Venetians etc, force on Cyprus a Greek identity? Of course not. And would some other Greeks elsewhere, powerless and without even a state of their own, Hellenize the island in some magical way while Cyprus was under some foreign rulers? Of course not. We are Greek today because that is how we have been for millennia.

But you know very well that by the start of the 20th century the British had relaxed conditions on Cyprus and this unfortunately allowed Greece to infiltrate Cyprus and begin her “You are Greeks” campaign which culminated into the October 1931 uprising!

Thanks to Greece, from that day on everything just went downhill for Cyprus!

So we were not Greeks, and Greece from 100s of miles away and while Cyprus was under British rule turned us into Greeks with some "campaign" within 30 years? Get Real, get real If Greeks had such magical powers they would turn the whole world into Greeks with "campaigns"

[Piratis]

The October 1931 uprisings marked a turning point for Cyprus for it was the day the British went from liking us to hating us!

And who can blame them? They were the only occupiers who bothered to improve the lives of the locals by building roads, schools, government departments, stimulating employment, and so forth, and all of a sudden the Cypriot fools were on the streets cheering on a fucked up piss-pot of a country (Greece) that couldn’t even feed its own people let alone help Cyprus!

Yes, I’d be pretty pissed off myself… it was the day we lost the game.

We were not cheering for any other country, but for our own nation since we are Greek.

If we exclude their dealings with the Turks since the 50s which have caused major problems to Cyprus, the British were obviously better than the Ottomans they replaced. But they didn't stop from being foreign occupiers who restricted our freedom and rights.

Interesting how on one hand according to you Greece was a "fucked up piss-pot of a country that couldn’t even feed its own people let alone help Cyprus" and then at the same time this same country was able to brainwash the Cypriot people and turn them into Greeks under the nose of the great British empire. Can't you see the oxymoron in your arguments?