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[Piratis]

The majority of the good people of Cyprus wanted enosis to happen. This is part of the reason why we ended up where we are now. There was a time when even AKEL criticised Makarios harshly for not pushing hard enough for enosis. Isn't it about time we started learning the true history of this island?

The vast majority of Cypriots wanted enosis and the only reason that enosis didn't happen is because this right was denied to us by the British and the Turks. If some people do not know the true history they should finally learn it.

[Get Real!]

I haven’t come across anything; other than the utterly corrupt 1950 plebiscite, that gives any indication of the popularity of Enosis with numbers.

But anyway, if indeed it was as popular as some of you here claim then it’s also an indication of the severity of the interferences of Greece on Cyprus because it is NOT HEALTHY for a country’s population to behave this way!

In fact, it is EXTREMELY UNHEALTHY for most people of an entire nation to have such bizarre desires, and an indication of the MASS BRAINWASHING that was taking place on Cyprus for many decades!

This would in fact constitute an act of genocide against the unique identity and culture of Cypriots because according to Raphael Lemkin…

“By genocide we mean the destruction of a nation or an ethnic group. . . .
Generally speaking, genocide does not necessarily mean the immediate destruction of a nation, except when accomplished by mass killings of all members of a nation. It is intended rather to signify a coordinated plan of different actions aiming at the destruction of essential foundations of the life of national groups, with the aim of annihilating the groups themselves. The objectives of such a plan would be disintegration of the political and social institutions of culture, language, national feelings, religion, and the economic existence of national groups, and the destruction of the personal security, liberty, health, dignity, and even the lives of the individuals belonging to such groups. Genocide is directed against the national group as an entity, and the actions involved are directed against individuals, not in their individual capacity, but as members of the national group.

. . . Genocide has two phases: one, destruction of the national pattern of the
oppressed group; the other the imposition of the national pattern of the oppressor. This imposition, in turn, may be made upon the oppressed population which is allowed to remain, or upon the territory alone, after removal of the population and the colonization of the area by the oppressor’s own nationals.”

[Piratis]

Cyprus was not a country, but an island like every other Greek island. Becoming a separate country (with some pseudo independence) instead of becoming part of the Greek state as it happened with most other Greek islands was not the choice of the Cypriot people, but the choice of the British and the Turks who wanted to keep Cyprus isolated from the rest of our nation so they could continue to serve their interests on our expense.

Our nation is the Greek nation and this has been the case even before the creation of the Greek state. If we were not Greeks how would we turned into Greeks while Cyprus was under the rule of the Turks and the British? If the Greeks had some magical powers to turn non-Greeks into Greeks from thousands of miles away, then why didn't they turn the whole world into Greeks?

Those who ruled and oppressed Cyprus were the ones who attempted the genocide of our nation in Cyprus and YOU are one of the victims. Unfortunately for the British and the Turks, victims like yourself are only a small minority, and their attempt to commit a genocide of the Greek nation in Cyprus has failed.

[repulsewarrior]

My commitment is to the Cypriot people to live under a united island in a united country. How ever that does not mean a single zone. There are too many people on both sides who do not wish to live in one zone. Some have a lot of economic and political power to take the single zone back to 1963.

I see no problem with the Cypriots mvong into a single zone government at some point in the future when all the Cypriots are ready. However force it now and we will end up with two states.

As to TRNC it is irrelevent today. The talks and what they would lead to is far more important.

I do not seek the help or good will from anybody xcept to respect the political decision of both communities. Cypriots should be good at maths. When you have fractions to add up we have to use the lowest common denominator. It applies equally here. You cannot force the TCs to do anything against their will. They have shown their good intensions in 2004 and all they got was a slap in the face. They may not be so generous next time.

...thank-you Lordo, a very good post that is clear and succinct.

...if i may add, in my mind, it is the reply of someone Turkish and Cypriot, not a "Turk".

...http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus34858.html, your observations would be appreciated.

[Get Real!]

Piratis,

As per usual you’re posting unsubstantiated fantasies and are a good example of a mentally damaged child that was growing up in the early 70s in Cyprus under Greece’s imposed education system and many other maniacal attempts to obliterate the Cypriot culture and replace it with theirs.

You are a victim of this attempted genocide and to this day unable to overcome the implanted ideologies in your brain to the point where you have manufactured a “history” book in your head that nobody else outside of this fascist “Hellenism” cancer seems to agree with.

The first clue that someone is terribly mentally sick is when they propagate and guard the false notion that “Cyprus is or was a Greek island”. But if we look at history the territory of modern Greece was under Ottoman occupation between the years 1458 and 1828. That’s a total of 370 years when not only did Greece NOT exist but she couldn’t have had any control or claim on Cyprus whatsoever!

Between the years 1571 and 1878 Cyprus was under the Ottoman occupation and immediately after that under a British occupation right up to 1960! Once again a period during which Greece couldn’t have had any claim on Cyprus whatsoever!

If I go further back in history the only known regional empire was that of the Eastern Roman (nowadays scholarly called the “Byzantine Empire”) which existed from about 500AD and until 1453AD when Istanbul was finally captured by Ottomans. Once again a period during which Greece couldn’t have had any control or claim on Cyprus whatsoever and did not even exist!

Yet, despite all these facts you are still unable to compose reality in your brain today due to the total and irreversible damage the Greece-imposed education inflicted on your brain!

So what would you like us to do now? Invent a story that a couple of ”Greek” fishermen from the island of Rhodes crashed into the Paphian rocks, found the island deserted and established a “Greek” colony on Cyprus in 3000BC to accommodate your fantasies? Are you happy with the castaway fairytale?

[GreekIslandGirl]

This thread has made me realise how catastrophic it is to deny our true Nature.

The Cypriot majority wanted to be identified naturally as part of the Greek Nation - and they were DENIED this right and look where it has gotten us! In the hands of Turks and Colonialist-minded Brits.

But, finally we are united with Greece, even in this roundabout way. Long live the Greece-Cyprus-European Union.

- Now, we need to safeguard the EU, Greece, Cyprus from those who strive, still, to deny Democracy and Freedom for the individual.

[kurupetos]

As per usual you’re posting unsubstantiated fantasies and are a good example of a mentally damaged child that was growing up in the early 70s in Cyprus under Greece’s imposed education system and many other maniacal attempts to obliterate the Cypriot culture and replace it with theirs.

How did you avoid getting 'damaged'?

[Bananiot]

What we should be discussing is not whether the majority of the GC's wanted or not enosis, but why, almost in its entirety, the GC community wanted enosis. I said in the past that usually the will of the majority shapes the way in which things move, but legal or moral right is not enough in situations like ours. A sane man would have seen in 1950 that going flat out for enosis (or self determination as we used to call it) would unleash forces that we could not control. However, sane people were scared to death to let their enlightenment shine in those days. The word "traitor" came easy to the lips of the bash patriots, like it does today. These bash patriots killed Cyprus!

[GreekIslandGirl]

... A sane man would have seen in 1950 that going flat out for enosis (or self determination as we used to call it) would unleash forces that we could not control.

No, not a "sane man" but a "slave man". Everyone else, apart from you and Turks, was unhappy with the forces that (already) controlled us. No forces were unleashed that were not already upon us - 100% controlling us. Our freedom will be won bit by bit and we are only 60% of the way - that's over halfway from the 100% enslavement we endured to colonialist Brits/Turks. We shall continue to move towards 0% (despite lily-livered cries) - as the enslaved Africans had to fight (still fight) for their freedom and recognition as peope with the SAME Human Rights as everyone else!

[kurupetos]

The only mistake with the Enosis campaign of the 50s was the inability of Greece to support it.