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[supporttheunderdog]

Why is the army departing we havent found a solution yet?

If you depart first, there's our solution! Then the Turkish troops will have no excuses to be here

So you support ethnic cleansing?

How is VP departing a support of "ethnic cleansing"? He is Brit-born and only came to Cyprus once part of it, ipso facto, was ethnically cleansed of Greeks by the Turkish Army. He states he will only stay in this occupied gangland whilst he is guaranteed by the Turkish Army that his children will not have to mix with Greek-speakers. It is people like him (aka Nazis) who violate human rights using every pretext going. Unfortunately, people like you encourage them.

There are no doubt many Brit-Born Cypriots who are lawfully entitled to ROC Citizenship and may have only come here post '74, and that may include VP, but if as you say VP is not prepared to live in close community with Greek Speaking Cypriots (Kypreos) then VP is indeed a nasty little racist, just the same certain sections of the Kypreos community who want to see the Turkish Speaking Cypriots (the Kibrilisi) depart, even though they are lawfully resident as per the laws of the ROC ( and that excludes post '74 Anatolian settlers with pseudo state citizenship which is only recognised by Turkey.).

If VP has no claims to Cypriot Citizenship under the laws of the ROC then VP is an illegal immigrant who should go!

If post settlement, which must involve the general right of return of all CYPRIOTS as defined by the laws of the ROC (whatever language they speak) to homes they/their forebears were forced to leave in the troubles VP decides to go then that is VP's choice - good riddance I would even say.

However I doubt that VP's departure alone will lead to the TAF leaving when there are are other people, including the Kibrilisi, who the TAF claim to be protecting, though that is only an excuse. However one logical extension of that argument is that if you take away the excuse then the TAF will leave, but logically that must also involve not just asking one Kibrilisi to leave but telling all of the kibrilisi to leave this the Island, but that is of course effectively ethnic cleansing, and that is but one logical conclusion of your asking anyone legally here to go, therefore implied support of ethnic cleansing.

Do you unequivocally support the right of the Kibrilisi to remain in Cyprus and return to homes they may have fled since say 1958, on the same basis that Kypreos can?

[Viewpoint]

Why is the army departing we havent found a solution yet?

If you depart first, there's our solution! Then the Turkish troops will have no excuses to be here

So you support ethnic cleansing?

How is VP departing a support of "ethnic cleansing"? He is Brit-born and only came to Cyprus once part of it, ipso facto, was ethnically cleansed of Greeks by the Turkish Army. He states he will only stay in this occupied gangland whilst he is guaranteed by the Turkish Army that his children will not have to mix with Greek-speakers. It is people like him (aka Nazis) who violate human rights using every pretext going. Unfortunately, people like you encourage them.

There are no doubt many Brit-Born Cypriots who are lawfully entitled to ROC Citizenship and may have only come here post '74, and that may include VP, but if as you say VP is not prepared to live in close community with Greek Speaking Cypriots (Kypreos) then VP is indeed a nasty little racist, just the same certain sections of the Kypreos community who want to see the Turkish Speaking Cypriots (the Kibrilisi) depart, even though they are lawfully resident as per the laws of the ROC ( and that excludes post '74 Anatolian settlers with pseudo state citizenship which is only recognised by Turkey.).

If VP has no claims to Cypriot Citizenship under the laws of the ROC then VP is an illegal immigrant who should go!

If post settlement, which must involve the general right of return of all CYPRIOTS as defined by the laws of the ROC (whatever language they speak) to homes they/their forebears were forced to leave in the troubles VP decides to go then that is VP's choice - good riddance I would even say.

However I doubt that VP's departure alone will lead to the TAF leaving when there are are other people, including the Kibrilisi, who the TAF claim to be protecting, though that is only an excuse. However one logical extension of that argument is that if you take away the excuse then the TAF will leave, but logically that must also involve not just asking one Kibrilisi to leave but telling all of the kibrilisi to leave this the Island, but that is of course effectively ethnic cleansing, and that is but one logical conclusion of your asking anyone legally here to go, therefore implied support of ethnic cleansing.

Do you unequivocally support the right of the Kibrilisi to remain in Cyprus and return to homes they may have fled since say 1958, on the same basis that Kypreos can?

Dog my heritage on both sides of the family go back some 440 years on this island, you decide whether im entitled to be here or not.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Dog my heritage on both sides of the family go back some 440 years on this island, you decide whether im entitled to be here or not.

Your "heritage" on this island is one of enslavement, colonialism and oppression of the native people. You wish to continue power over us in the same way! So, no you do not deserve to be in the RoC-EU - which is governed on democratic principles, by the people, for the people! This is why you need, and call upon, some 40,000 fascist Turkish troops to enforce your racist apartheid over us.

Turkey oppresses us!


Can a nation be free if it oppresses other nations? It cannot. - Lenin

[Maximus]

Dog my heritage on both sides of the family go back some 440 years on this island, you decide whether im entitled to be here or not.

We decided that the Turkish army does not have a right to be here, so lets keep on track with the topic please and make progress.

Turkeys troops are leaving............................................................

[boulio]

i always advocated a nato/eu force to be put in cyprus of about 3,000-5,000 men the points of the plan:

1)ROC joins nato
2)one of the bases in a reduced size like 30 sq km and houses the force the rest given back to the ROC
3)greek,turkish particiaption along with other contigents from eu/nato countries
4)mixed cypriot battalion(or regiment)to participate as well.

[Maximus]

i always advocated a nato/eu force to be put in cyprus of about 3,000-5,000 men the points of the plan:

1)ROC joins nato
2)one of the bases in a reduced size like 30 sq km and houses the force the rest given back to the ROC
3)greek,turkish particiaption along with other contigents from eu/nato countries
4)mixed cypriot battalion(or regiment)to participate as well.

Why turn Cyprus into a Nato base, when it is dwarfed by surrounding countries that are NATO?

[boulio]

because by placing cyprus into nato you eliminate the friction that is currentley being caused between nato and eu military integration and by implementing an nato/eu force you still have turkish participation in defence of cyprus(a much more limited role)thus calming t/c "fears" thus getting rid of a major stumbling block in any negotiations for a peace plan.Also you eleiminate the SBA IN ONE FELL SWOOP

[Maximus]

Can Cyprus in NATO coexist without the need for NATO bases actually being in Cyprus?

[boulio]

t/c will want some form of turkish participation in the security of the island do you have any ideas?

under a nato/eu cypriot brigade all the parameters are met and then some

[Maximus]

t/c will want some form of turkish participation in the security of the island do you have any ideas?

under a nato/eu cypriot brigade all the parameters are met and then some

So basically this should happen because of some BS reason? Turkey invaded Cyprus and split here in two without it taking too long and without too many problems at all.