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Re: Both Greek and Turkish troops should depart

Postby bill cobbett » Tue Dec 27, 2011 4:26 pm

Viewpoint wrote:Why is the army departing we havent found a solution yet?


To comply with Unconditional UN Resolutions on the matter, ...

There have been many, here are the relevant parts of the UN Res 37/253 of 1983...

Deploring the fact that part of the territory of the Republic of Cyprus is till occupied by foreign forces,

Reiterates its full support for the sovereignty, independence, territorial itegrity, unity and non-alignment of the Republic of Cyprus and calls once again for the cessation of all foreign interference in its affairs;

Considers the withdrawal of all occupation forces from the Republic of Cyprus as an essential basis for a speedy and mutually acceptable solution of the Cyprus problem;

Demand s the immediate withdrawal of all occupation forces from the Republic pf Cyprus;

Considers that the de facto situation created by the force of arms should not be allowed to influence or in any way affect the solution of the problem of Cyprus;
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Re: Both Greek and Turkish troops should depart

Postby Viewpoint » Tue Dec 27, 2011 4:43 pm

bill cobbett wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Why is the army departing we havent found a solution yet?


To comply with Unconditional UN Resolutions on the matter, ...

There have been many, here are the relevant parts of the UN Res 37/253 of 1983...

Deploring the fact that part of the territory of the Republic of Cyprus is till occupied by foreign forces,

Reiterates its full support for the sovereignty, independence, territorial itegrity, unity and non-alignment of the Republic of Cyprus and calls once again for the cessation of all foreign interference in its affairs;

Considers the withdrawal of all occupation forces from the Republic of Cyprus as an essential basis for a speedy and mutually acceptable solution of the Cyprus problem;

Demand s the immediate withdrawal of all occupation forces from the Republic pf Cyprus;

Considers that the de facto situation created by the force of arms should not be allowed to influence or in any way affect the solution of the problem of Cyprus;


This would be catastrophic for us TCs and play right into the hands of the GCs, noway no solution no departure of TA.
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Re: Both Greek and Turkish troops should depart

Postby Kikapu » Tue Dec 27, 2011 5:19 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Why is the army departing we havent found a solution yet?


To comply with Unconditional UN Resolutions on the matter, ...

There have been many, here are the relevant parts of the UN Res 37/253 of 1983...

Deploring the fact that part of the territory of the Republic of Cyprus is till occupied by foreign forces,

Reiterates its full support for the sovereignty, independence, territorial itegrity, unity and non-alignment of the Republic of Cyprus and calls once again for the cessation of all foreign interference in its affairs;

Considers the withdrawal of all occupation forces from the Republic of Cyprus as an essential basis for a speedy and mutually acceptable solution of the Cyprus problem;

Demand s the immediate withdrawal of all occupation forces from the Republic pf Cyprus;

Considers that the de facto situation created by the force of arms should not be allowed to influence or in any way affect the solution of the problem of Cyprus;


This would be catastrophic for us TCs and play right into the hands of the GCs, noway no solution no departure of TA.



That's just it, that Turkey does not want a solution based on EU Principles, so that she can keep her troops in Cyprus. A solution based on EU Principles will not need to have Turkish Troops in Cyprus, hence your problem. The ONLY other way to get Turkey out of Cyprus is to kick her out, which what France may start doing with the EU in the future. Watch this space.
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Re: Both Greek and Turkish troops should depart

Postby bill cobbett » Tue Dec 27, 2011 5:25 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Why is the army departing we havent found a solution yet?


To comply with Unconditional UN Resolutions on the matter, ...

There have been many, here are the relevant parts of the UN Res 37/253 of 1983...

Deploring the fact that part of the territory of the Republic of Cyprus is till occupied by foreign forces,

Reiterates its full support for the sovereignty, independence, territorial itegrity, unity and non-alignment of the Republic of Cyprus and calls once again for the cessation of all foreign interference in its affairs;

Considers the withdrawal of all occupation forces from the Republic of Cyprus as an essential basis for a speedy and mutually acceptable solution of the Cyprus problem;

Demand s the immediate withdrawal of all occupation forces from the Republic pf Cyprus;

Considers that the de facto situation created by the force of arms should not be allowed to influence or in any way affect the solution of the problem of Cyprus;


This would be catastrophic for us TCs and play right into the hands of the GCs, noway no solution no departure of TA.


Doesn't change the Resolutions... insisting on the UNCONDITIONAL WITHDRAWAL of occupation forces.

... and there is at least one very good reason cited for the withdrawal...

Considers that the de facto situation created by the force of arms should not be allowed to influence or in any way affect the solution of the problem of Cyprus;

So that in real ways given that the Occupying Army does influence things, as we have seen for decades, without a withdrawal the'll be no settlement.
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Re: Both Greek and Turkish troops should depart

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Tue Dec 27, 2011 5:31 pm

Viewpoint wrote:Why is the army departing we havent found a solution yet?


If you depart first, there's our solution! Then the Turkish troops will have no excuses to be here :)
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Re: Both Greek and Turkish troops should depart

Postby Viewpoint » Tue Dec 27, 2011 5:34 pm

bill cobbett wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Why is the army departing we havent found a solution yet?


To comply with Unconditional UN Resolutions on the matter, ...

There have been many, here are the relevant parts of the UN Res 37/253 of 1983...

Deploring the fact that part of the territory of the Republic of Cyprus is till occupied by foreign forces,

Reiterates its full support for the sovereignty, independence, territorial itegrity, unity and non-alignment of the Republic of Cyprus and calls once again for the cessation of all foreign interference in its affairs;

Considers the withdrawal of all occupation forces from the Republic of Cyprus as an essential basis for a speedy and mutually acceptable solution of the Cyprus problem;

Demand s the immediate withdrawal of all occupation forces from the Republic pf Cyprus;

Considers that the de facto situation created by the force of arms should not be allowed to influence or in any way affect the solution of the problem of Cyprus;


This would be catastrophic for us TCs and play right into the hands of the GCs, noway no solution no departure of TA.


Doesn't change the Resolutions... insisting on the UNCONDITIONAL WITHDRAWAL of occupation forces.

... and there is at least one very good reason cited for the withdrawal...

Considers that the de facto situation created by the force of arms should not be allowed to influence or in any way affect the solution of the problem of Cyprus;

So that in real ways given that the Occupying Army does influence things, as we have seen for decades, without a withdrawal the'll be no settlement.


Withdrawal without a solution would be mayhem and place us all in great danger. Let say for arguments sake they are no longer here, how would things develop? how will you stop hoards of refugees storming the properties in both the south and north? how will you stop rioting in the streets and random bombings? how will the ideology of democracy and human rights be imposed on the people? who will rule?
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Re: Both Greek and Turkish troops should depart

Postby supporttheunderdog » Wed Dec 28, 2011 3:12 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:All the foreign troops must go - to be replaced by the EU Army (which will have some Greek troops too :D ). Brits and Turks should have no claim to EU resources.


I would just like to point out that Britain is an EU member state ( a net contributor) with full entitlment to EU resource. Further in any EU military force the British would probably pay a very significant role as one of the countries (along side Germany and France) with the largest national military forces in the EU (and without conscription, unlike most other EU countries).
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Re: Both Greek and Turkish troops should depart

Postby Maximus » Wed Dec 28, 2011 6:13 am

Viewpoint wrote:
Withdrawal without a solution would be mayhem and place us all in great danger. Let say for arguments sake they are no longer here, how would things develop? how will you stop hoards of refugees storming the properties in both the south and north? how will you stop rioting in the streets and random bombings? how will the ideology of democracy and human rights be imposed on the people? who will rule?


Essentially, Eroglu will have to negotiate hard.

Its either the way of the majority and the rule of law or the way of the jungle.

If you are not sure which side you should be on, then there is always Turkey.
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Re: Both Greek and Turkish troops should depart

Postby CBBB » Wed Dec 28, 2011 6:27 am

Viewpoint wrote:Withdrawal without a solution would be mayhem and place us all in great danger. Let say for arguments sake they are no longer here, how would things develop? how will you stop hoards of refugees storming the properties in both the south and north? how will you stop rioting in the streets and random bombings? how will the ideology of democracy and human rights be imposed on the people? who will rule?


From your sentiments it appears that paranoia rules!

The only rioting in the streets in recent years has been TCs rioting against Turkey.

When was the last random bombing? The only bombings we get in the RoC are targeted and are carried out between members of the underworld.

As for hordes of refugees........

Democracy and human rights will be imposed on the people by having a constitution that adheres to EU legislation.
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Re: Both Greek and Turkish troops should depart

Postby Maximus » Wed Dec 28, 2011 6:44 am

As soon as the troops leave, the RoC will lift all embargoes to help the "T*NC" earn its rent.
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