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[GreekIslandGirl]

İs it not religious differences that divide mankind?

Not universally true. Certainly Greek Orthodoxy has not spread through war - although it has been the victim many times. As for Islam - then yes, it has spread through violence and seizures of other's territories, churches etc.

For us it is. here is a snap for your gorgousness: İ know you love him!

http://www.britains-smallwars.com/cypru ... piracy/(19)%201964%20MAKARIOS%20with%20Greek%20tps.jpg

Your link is non-existent. Nevertheless, I sense your accusation: so whose territory did Makarios seize? Which country did he invade to spread Orthodoxy? Sorry, Deniz - you are no brethren.

Sorry about that. It was just a pic of Pres. Makarios and Grivas at Kokkina directing operations against the TC students.

What "TC students" ? - you mean napalm-spreading Turkish soldiers, doncha!

[denizaksulu]

You mean the TAF. Glad they missed you.

[supporttheunderdog]

There are 300 Million Orthodox adherents - and rising .

The Catholics have their Vatican, the Muslims their Mecca, the Hindus their etc . Yet the 300 Million Orthodox faithful are denied their Spiritual Home. How long will this continue? Surely, the time has come for equality ...

I am not entirely sure why the city formerly known as Byzantium should be the spiritual centre of any faith group: I am aware of some suggestions St Andrew may have preached in the Area, but that does not make it mre or less holy: If anywhere if one subscribes to any form of Christianity the spritual home should be in what is known as the Holy Land.

Personally I have reservations about the whole concept of Apolistic succession, whether Petrine or Andreine, indeed the whole concept of a church hierarchy is probably about power and thought control.

My own suspicion is that the preeminance of Constantinople as the center of Eastern Orthodoxy is more likely to be linked with the politics of the age, when Byzantium was the capital of the Eastern Empire: likewise Rome probably only became pre-eminant because in the early days of the Christian Church it was a major center of political power.

[GreekIslandGirl]

I am not entirely sure why the city formerly known as Byzantium should be the spiritual centre of any faith group: I am aware of some suggestions St Andrew may have preached in the Area, but that does not make it mre or less holy: If anywhere if one subscribes to any form of Christianity the spritual home should be in what is known as the Holy Land.

Personally I have reservations about the whole concept of Apolistic succession, whether Petrine or Andreine, indeed the whole concept of a church hierarchy is probably about power and thought control.

My own suspicion is that the preeminance of Constantinople as the center of Eastern Orthodoxy is more likely to be linked with the politics of the age, when Byzantium was the capital of the Eastern Empire: likewise Rome probably only became pre-eminant because in the early days of the Christian Church it was a major center of political power.

You sound impoverished of psyche. No noumenon. Greek Orthodoxy is more than the sum of parts. There are many holy sites for most Christians, Muslims, Hindus etc. But Constantinople/Byzantion represents more for us than our Christian heritage alone. It is the center which culminated in the continuation of the Greek Hellenistic lifeblood. Which is why the Ottomans invested so much in its capture (Crusaders before them). And why, spiritless colonialists, like yourself, strive to dissolve it of its importance to our identity.

[denizaksulu]

I am not entirely sure why the city formerly known as Byzantium should be the spiritual centre of any faith group: I am aware of some suggestions St Andrew may have preached in the Area, but that does not make it mre or less holy: If anywhere if one subscribes to any form of Christianity the spritual home should be in what is known as the Holy Land.

Personally I have reservations about the whole concept of Apolistic succession, whether Petrine or Andreine, indeed the whole concept of a church hierarchy is probably about power and thought control.

My own suspicion is that the preeminance of Constantinople as the center of Eastern Orthodoxy is more likely to be linked with the politics of the age, when Byzantium was the capital of the Eastern Empire: likewise Rome probably only became pre-eminant because in the early days of the Christian Church it was a major center of political power.

You sound impoverished of psyche. No noumenon. Greek Orthodoxy is more than the sum of parts. There are many holy sites for most Christians, Muslims, Hindus etc. But Constantinople/Byzantion represents more for us than our Christian heritage alone. It is the center which culminated in the continuation of the Greek Hellenistic lifeblood. Which is why the
Ottomans invested so much in its capture (Crusaders before them). And why, spiritless colonialists, like yourself, strive to dissolve it of its importance to our identity.

GIG, if more of your brethren thought like you, Istanbul would remain Constantinopoli today. Why id thy not care?

[GreekIslandGirl]

I am not entirely sure why the city formerly known as Byzantium should be the spiritual centre of any faith group: I am aware of some suggestions St Andrew may have preached in the Area, but that does not make it mre or less holy: If anywhere if one subscribes to any form of Christianity the spritual home should be in what is known as the Holy Land.

Personally I have reservations about the whole concept of Apolistic succession, whether Petrine or Andreine, indeed the whole concept of a church hierarchy is probably about power and thought control.

My own suspicion is that the preeminance of Constantinople as the center of Eastern Orthodoxy is more likely to be linked with the politics of the age, when Byzantium was the capital of the Eastern Empire: likewise Rome probably only became pre-eminant because in the early days of the Christian Church it was a major center of political power.

You sound impoverished of psyche. No noumenon. Greek Orthodoxy is more than the sum of parts. There are many holy sites for most Christians, Muslims, Hindus etc. But Constantinople/Byzantion represents more for us than our Christian heritage alone. It is the center which culminated in the continuation of the Greek Hellenistic lifeblood. Which is why the
Ottomans invested so much in its capture (Crusaders before them). And why, spiritless colonialists, like yourself, strive to dissolve it of its importance to our identity.

GIG, if more of your brethren thought like you, Istanbul would remain Constantinopoli today. Why id thy not care?

What are you talking about? Less than 5,000 Greek inhabitants had to fight (to the death) against some 200,000 Ottoman Turks, plotting for years to overthrow an already weakened Constantinople.

Extracts from Odysseas Elytis' poem ...

As he stood there erect before the Gate
and impregnable in his sorrow

And the desolation so great it might
contain all of God.

Dear God what now
Who had to battle with thousands

And opposite
along the whole wall's length
a host of heads poured in plaster
as far as his eye could see

Horses overturned on dump-heads
a rabble of buildings large and small
debris and dust flaming in the air

And there lying prone
always with an unbroken word
between his teeth
Himself
the last of the Hellenes!

~

Regardless, the few Greek intellectuals who survived at that time manifested the Renaissance from which we have the continuation of Hellenism in Europe - from where we continue patiently, peacefully, to regain our spiritual home.

[denizaksulu]

I am not entirely sure why the city formerly known as Byzantium should be the spiritual centre of any faith group: I am aware of some suggestions St Andrew may have preached in the Area, but that does not make it mre or less holy: If anywhere if one subscribes to any form of Christianity the spritual home should be in what is known as the Holy Land.

Personally I have reservations about the whole concept of Apolistic succession, whether Petrine or Andreine, indeed the whole concept of a church hierarchy is probably about power and thought control.

My own suspicion is that the preeminance of Constantinople as the center of Eastern Orthodoxy is more likely to be linked with the politics of the age, when Byzantium was the capital of the Eastern Empire: likewise Rome probably only became pre-eminant because in the early days of the Christian Church it was a major center of political power.

You sound impoverished of psyche. No noumenon. Greek Orthodoxy is more than the sum of parts. There are many holy sites for most Christians, Muslims, Hindus etc. But Constantinople/Byzantion represents more for us than our Christian heritage alone. It is the center which culminated in the continuation of the Greek Hellenistic lifeblood. Which is why the
Ottomans invested so much in its capture (Crusaders before them). And why, spiritless colonialists, like yourself, strive to dissolve it of its importance to our identity.

GIG, if more of your brethren thought like you, Istanbul would remain Constantinopoli today. Why id thy not care?

What are you talking about? Less than 5,000 Greek inhabitants had to fight (to the death) against some 200,000 Ottoman Turks, plotting for years to overthrow an already weakened Constantinople.

Extracts from Odysseas Elytis' poem ...

As he stood there erect before the Gate
and impregnable in his sorrow

And the desolation so great it might
contain all of God.

Dear God what now
Who had to battle with thousands

And opposite
along the whole wall's length
a host of heads poured in plaster
as far as his eye could see

Horses overturned on dump-heads
a rabble of buildings large and small
debris and dust flaming in the air

And there lying prone
always with an unbroken word
between his teeth
Himself
the last of the Hellenes!


~

Regardless, the few Greek intellectuals who survived at that time manifested the Renaissance from which we have the continuation of Hellenism in Europe - from where we continue patiently, peacefully, to regain our spiritual home.

Thanks for the poetry. That is hat I was talking about. The 'magnificent Byzntine Empire' no more than a ity state. No doubt wrecked / weakened by your fellow Christians. Schism did you no favours.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Thanks for the poetry. That is hat I was talking about. The 'magnificent Byzntine Empire' no more than a ity state. No doubt wrecked / weakened by your fellow Christians. Schism did you no favours.

I know you were talking nonsense.

The Orthodox faith is the only pure faith. We cannot help those who split away. We can only be true to ourselves. Though weakened, by numbers, to our multitudinouus enemies; truth, justice and liberty will prevail. Patiently we wait ...

(You know, Deniz, the Orthodox followers need only make learning their goal.)

[joe]

Thanks for the poetry. That is hat I was talking about. The 'magnificent Byzntine Empire' no more than a ity state. No doubt wrecked / weakened by your fellow Christians. Schism did you no favours.

I know you were talking nonsense.

The Orthodox faith is the only pure faith. We cannot help those who split away. We can only be true to ourselves. Though weakened, by numbers, to our multitudinouus enemies; truth, justice and liberty will prevail. Patiently we wait ...

(You know, Deniz, the Orthodox followers need only make learning their goal.)

What a pleasure it was to read this thread. Thank you, GIG, for creating such a wonderful thread and I can only hope to read more of your contribution to this forum. So please keep up the good work. btw I hope you had a wonderful Christmas.

[denizaksulu]

Thanks for the poetry. That is hat I was talking about. The 'magnificent Byzntine Empire' no more than a ity state. No doubt wrecked / weakened by your fellow Christians. Schism did you no favours.

I know you were talking nonsense.

The Orthodox faith is the only pure faith. We cannot help those who split away. We can only be true to ourselves. Though weakened, by numbers, to our multitudinouus enemies; truth, justice and liberty will prevail. Patiently we wait ...

(You know, Deniz, the Orthodox followers need only make learning their goal.)

What a pity that 'brotherly love' is not a quality taught....Cyprus would be a different and better place.