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Re: Why is Downer’s warning being ignored?

Postby humanist » Wed Dec 28, 2011 7:24 am

In my view TC's show very little regard for Cyprus and its interest. They would rather see the land they were born onto split in half. Half in isolation the the other half not having the right to their property, (irrelevant). giving half to Turkey and the other half to Greece when in fact they can say lets just really solve this crap. Lets unite and build a better stronger richer Cyprus where veryone is fair, becasue the current situation is not going to change anytime fast.
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Re: Why is Downer’s warning being ignored?

Postby humanist » Wed Dec 28, 2011 7:28 am

This mono-cultural ideological history no longer exists in an international community. For a long time I didn't really like the thought of globalisation. Today am thinking a bit differently
why not develop the third world if f we put the money in they take some of our population and that way we spread the population evenly accross the planet.


sorry moved away from thread
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Re: Why is Downer’s warning being ignored?

Postby Pyrpolizer » Wed Dec 28, 2011 11:35 pm

Bananiot wrote:Some people display an amazing ability not to understand the game that is played and the rules that govern it. The United Nations are telling us (GC and TC) to find solutions to our issues through negotiations. Both parties agree with this and furthermore, the UN urge Turkey and Greece to facilitate these talks. The UN does not tell us what will happen if the negotiations do not bear fruit. Downer made a clear insinuation about the UN already spending too much time, money and energy (been here since 1963 - the problem did not start in 1974) and he clearly said that time is running short for every one. If the talks fail, the UN will of course not impose a solution for this is not their job. However, even if they did impose one we would not like it, because it would move along the Annan plan lines. I am not sure the Turkish side would welcome it either. The blame game would then acquire some interest and of course, equal distances will be kept by the UN and further time will get by and the 37 years since the invasion will soon become 50 and by that time the north will be totally Turkified and the RoC, if it still exists, will share a border of 150 km with Turkey. Need I say more ....?

What is to be done to reverse this terrible trend has to be based on realistic aspirations that can be attained by joined efforts of the Greek and Turkish Cypriot patriots who are the only forces capable of saving Cyprus and its cultural heritage. These are my suggestions:

1. At present, the TC leadership of Eroglu does not care about BBF. Eroglu wants and always wanted partition. He probably dictates terms to Turkey on this (and not the other way round as some of us would like to believe) and he, like Papadopoulos, plays the game only to appear as a willing partner in talks, but with a different agenda in his mind.
2. It is up to the TC community to get rid of Eroglu and vote in a leader who aspires a united Cyprus, not a partitioned one.
3. For the TC's to have a realistic chance to succeed, clear signals are needed from the GC community. Signals that would effectively tell the TC's that we "accept you as an equal political partner in a new Cyprus". Fears that TC's may (justifiably) have on their safety can be tackled with good will. We can accept Turkey guaranteeing the TC Federal State for a period of time.
4. The TC's felt betrayed in 2004 and this is understandable. The majority of TC's are Cypriots above anything else. They are worried about the influx of settlers and the appearance of religion schools in the north that endanger their way of life. However, they can do nothing to reverse the trend until they can see and feel a helping hand from us. In effect, by helping the TC's we help ourselves and Cyprus.
5. It is clear that only joined action towards a common goal is the only thing that can save us.
6. The Annan Plan can form the basis and with those modifications that can be accepted by the majority of Cypriots, it can take Cyprus out of the quagmire and towards a new age.
7. With time, when the old generation has passed away and forgotten, the new Cypriots who by definition would be better than us, can work out a better deal that would see a gradual move to a unified Cyprus, if the circumstances permit it.

These are my thoughts as we welcome 2012 and while thinking that all my life has been spent in the shadows of the Cyprob that has itself overshadowed all healthy political life in this island.


Noble thoughts Bananiot, and I agree with you to some extend.
Yet just think who voted for Eroglu, and before you tell me it was the settlers, no it was a huge junk of the Kibrislis too...
Unfortunately your thoughts could apply to a small portion of the Kibrislis only. There are conflicting interests in the occupied today and the biggest interest has to do on how to benefit from the Kypreoi refugee properties by BOTH Kibrislis and settlers, and Turkey;s interest on the resources of Cyprus.
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Re: Why is Downer’s warning being ignored?

Postby humanist » Wed Dec 28, 2011 11:41 pm

Pyrpolizer, whilst there are interests in the development and selling off of refugee property by some TC's they do not see the long term impact this will have on their identity as TC's having said that. If I look at the posts and posters on this forum many rather identify as Turks than TC's
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Re: Why is Downer’s warning being ignored?

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:24 am

7. With time, when the old generation has passed away and forgotten, the new Cypriots who by definition would be better than us, can work out a better deal that would see a gradual move to a unified Cyprus, if the circumstances permit it.


...here is the reason to be in no hurry. Problem solved (lol), go visit the Buffer Zone, it's already started. we don't need the Annan Plan, and there were lots of plans before that one, if we want to change, we can start with the Constitution we have.

...indeed, we need an electorate which has the interests of the island first; whether Greek or Turkish, not "Greek" and not "Turkish", no longer voiceless Cypriots, their leadership will evolve.
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Re: Why is Downer’s warning being ignored?

Postby Maximus » Thu Dec 29, 2011 5:33 am

repulsewarrior wrote:
7. With time, when the old generation has passed away and forgotten, the new Cypriots who by definition would be better than us, can work out a better deal that would see a gradual move to a unified Cyprus, if the circumstances permit it.


...here is the reason to be in no hurry. Problem solved (lol), go visit the Buffer Zone, it's already started. we don't need the Annan Plan, and there were lots of plans before that one, if we want to change, we can start with the Constitution we have.

...indeed, we need an electorate which has the interests of the island first; whether Greek or Turkish, not "Greek" and not "Turkish", no longer voiceless Cypriots, their leadership will evolve.


Yes, this may happen in the next 15 years in my speculative opinion. when the gas goes to market!

If islandwide democracy between Cypriots prevails, their only problem between reunification and doing the right thing will be getting rid of Turkey.
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Re: Why is Downer’s warning being ignored?

Postby humanist » Thu Dec 29, 2011 8:24 am

Today's new on the gas exploration will change the dynamics both in the region and the EU. It will be Turkeys best interest to leave Cyprus and urge the TC's to reunite. It will certainly benefit them more. But then again we dunno how much stronghold Turkey has on the TC community
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Re: Why is Downer’s warning being ignored?

Postby Bananiot » Thu Dec 29, 2011 9:20 am

It will be Turkeys best interest to leave Cyprus and urge the TC's to reunite.


We could dictate (to a certain extend) to Turkey while Turkey had an interest in becoming full member of the EU. Since this prospect for Turkey became remote (and our bash patriots went over the moon with joy) we can dictate zero to Turkey. Harsh realities govern this world humanist and the sooner we understand this the less naive and more rational we become. Regarding the gas, it can certainly work both ways. It can lead to better things but also to much worse. I have no indication that we can behave responsibly on this one either.
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Re: Why is Downer’s warning being ignored?

Postby halil » Thu Dec 29, 2011 11:00 am

Dear Bananiot, Turkey finds her ways.....only we suffer in Cyprus....and fools hoping that Turkey will collapse and they will be XXXXX.........this the reality of the world.....

Turkey on Wednesday signed an agreement with Russia to allow a Russian natural gas pipeline to pass under Turkish Black Sea waters. The deal for the South Stream -- a proposed pipeline which would bypass Ukraine to transport Russian natural gas to the Black Sea to Bulgaria and further to Greece, Italy and Austria -- was signed in Moscow by Turkey's state-run oil and gas pipelines company and the Russian Gazprom.
http://www.worldbulletin.net/?aType=hab ... leID=83559

Turkey signed a deal at an estimated value of $5 billion to carry Azerbaijani gas to European markets via a pipeline to cross its borders, adding to the country's emerging role as a key energy supply corridor in its region. Turkish Energy and Natural Resources Minister Taner Yildiz and his Azerbaijani counterpart, Natig Aliyev, signed an agreement in Ankara yesterday to construct a natural gas pipeline, named the Trans Anadolu Natural Gas Pipeline, in order to transfer gas from Azerbaijan's Shah Deniz fields to Europe.
http://www.dunya.com/turkey-and-azerbai ... haber.html
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Re: Why is Downer’s warning being ignored?

Postby B25 » Thu Dec 29, 2011 12:14 pm

whoopy dee do!

Why doesn't turkey sign an a greement with the TCs to get the F outta Cyprus whilst she is at it. Do you trust anything Turkey signs these days. We cannot become dependent on a terrorist state that violates HR, International laws, Geneva conventions. They will then hold the whole of EU to ransom, which is all part of their sorry game.

Cyprus as an Energy Hub will bypaass this monster in the Med.

Way to go Cyprus.
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