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Re: France to Recognise Turkish Genocide of Armenians?

Postby bill cobbett » Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:26 am

Two statements from the Spokesperson of the Settlers and Turkey, Eroglu of the "trcn", on the matter of the vote in France to criminalise attempts such as those by Turkey to re-write history and in support of Turkey in its denial of the Genocide carried out by its predecessor regime and by the "Young Turks" of the current era.

This one from the Republic's POI Office...

Referring to the French Parliament's approval of the so-called Armenian genocide bill, he called the move a "shame of humanity" adding that such a move neither contributed to democracy nor did it serve the improvement of interstate relations.

This one with the usual editing from the usual source that mustn't be mentioned in this polite company...

Pseudo-President but Real Puppet Dervis Eroglu has reacted strongly against France’s decision to approve the Armenian Genocide bill which has made it illegal to deny Armenians were victims of genocide in 1915 and has paved the way for offenders to receive a one year jail term or be fined.

So Eroglu is telling the World that a Parliament debating a bill is a "shame of humanity" but that the genocide itself isn't. Wonder why Eroglu would think that!!! .... :roll:
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Re: France to Recognise Turkish Genocide of Armenians?

Postby Kikapu » Thu Dec 29, 2011 8:57 pm

bill cobbett wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
France to Recognise Turkish Genocide of Armenians?

Israel is also warming up to the idea. It doesn't look like a pleasant year for Turkey this 2012...


No doubt the USA will follow suit, running up to the elections next year. :wink:


Kikapu a question please ... now you mention the USA... has this massive over-reaction we've seen in the last few days from Turkey got something to do with sending a message to the USA?????


Hi Bill,

Sorry for the delay in responding to your question.

I don't know the answer to your specific question other than to say, that these days, Turkey is screaming loud to everyone who dares to challenge her, but who's listening really. Surely not Sarkozy, despite repeated phone calls from Gül. Turkey is becoming the toothless tiger really. A lot of growling, sabra rattling, threats, promises of threats but in the end, has no bite, so other countries are doing what they need to do and are doing it when they are good and ready regardless what Turkey says or wants. Turkey is not the military or the economic superpower that she think she is. Erdogan has been able to reach out to Obama often, but in the end, Congress answers to their own constituents and not to Obama, and in the public eye, Turkey is not the most liked nation as far as your average American is concerned, just because Turkey was not reliable when American needed her the most during the Iraq war, which may have resulted in costing American lives as well as extra cost, and now that the Americans are virtually out of Iraq, the American people will have even less desire to be nice to Turkey, despite the Missile Defence Radar to be placed in eastern Turkey. I can see the Republicans using the "Armenian Genocide card" in the runoff to the elections next year, which Obama will be reminded, that he was for the Armenian Genocide before he was elected and has since been very quiet about it, therefore, I wouldn't be surprised if Obama himself will not push for it's passage in the lover house next year. What is Turkey going to do about it, another than what she did with France, is nothing of any significance, unless Turkey stops trading with the world in the end, because by 2015 on the 100th year anniversary of the Armenian Genocide, many countries will support it.

Here is an article I came across the other day that may be of interest to you to read.

Now, the Armenians are making us walk the ‘Deportation March’

Let’s be realistic now.

Armenians are almost approaching the end in their genocide claims. They have made the world accept their claims by working continuously like industrious ants for 100 years. While they were explaining their pain and what they had to live through, we did not even discuss among ourselves what had happened. We buried our heads in the sand and have reached these days. We could not reply in a persuasive manner. We lost the case.

We are not aware but the Armenians are exiling us. This time they are making us walk the “Deportation March.”

They have lined us up in front of the international public and making us walk. They are replicating in a different way what we had done 100 years ago. Whichever country’s Parliament we are passing by, we are stigmatized as “genocide criminal” with our heads bowed.

Every time we are stigmatized, we are angry and have a fit, then after a while, we are calm again and act as if nothing has happened. Maybe we want to forget. Whereas this “deportation walk” we chose to ignore continues and it will reach its most important stop in 2015. According to Armenians, they will have the last word on the 100th anniversary of the genocide.

The genocide claims that have been accepted in the Parliaments of 19 countries will most importantly be passed in the United States Congress. After that, the others will come easily.

Now, you will see, the fight with France will be forgotten after a while; we will focus on other issues.
At this point, it is impossible to stop the course of events by writing books and filming documentaries. From now on, we should either take such bold steps as to surprise the international public and make them doubt the Armenian allegations or dare being stigmatized with genocide and start planning its measures beginning now.

What I wonder the most now is whether Ankara has any medium or long-term preparations on the topic, or whether or not there is a working group. If there is one, I will both be surprised and pleased. If there is not, I would not be surprised. I would just say, “Our typical stance” and bow to fate. But if protests and loud voices start after the inevitable, then let alone the international public, even I would not believe them.

Armenians will expose us as genocide criminals to the whole world with our submitted postures and also make us continue with our “Deportation March.”

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/now-th ... sCatID=405
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Re: France to Recognise Turkish Genocide of Armenians?

Postby kimon07 » Tue Jan 03, 2012 12:58 pm

Turkish envoy to return to Paris to block Senate approval of genocide bill

"Turkey plans to send its ambassador to France, who was recalled to Ankara .......... back to Paris to step up efforts to prevent the approval of the bill by the senate.."
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"Reports citing Turkish diplomatic sources say Turkey's move to recall its ambassador, Tahsin Burcuoğlu, does not mean it is downgrading diplomatic ties with Paris as he was recalled simply for consultation. :D Since the bill has not yet been enacted, Turkey will make the utmost effort to prevent the law from becoming law....".
http://www.todayszaman.com/news-267464- ... -bill.html

So much for the barking.
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Re: France to Recognise Turkish Genocide of Armenians?

Postby Kikapu » Tue Jan 03, 2012 1:50 pm

kimon07 wrote:Turkish envoy to return to Paris to block Senate approval of genocide bill

"Turkey plans to send its ambassador to France, who was recalled to Ankara .......... back to Paris to step up efforts to prevent the approval of the bill by the senate.."
....
"Reports citing Turkish diplomatic sources say Turkey's move to recall its ambassador, Tahsin Burcuoğlu, does not mean it is downgrading diplomatic ties with Paris as he was recalled simply for consultation. :D Since the bill has not yet been enacted, Turkey will make the utmost effort to prevent the law from becoming law....".
http://www.todayszaman.com/news-267464- ... -bill.html

So much for the barking.


This Turkish ambassador to France was scheduled to return to Turkey anyway, so his departure from Paris had nothing to do with the vote on the Armenian Genocide. It was a good opportune time to use the events in Paris for Erdogan to flex some diplomatic muscle, so he thought. France voted despite the threats, and after all the damage the Turkish politicians did after the voting in Paris, the French Senate will no doubt will pass it also, therefore, if the Turkish ambassador was really recalled from Paris, he should have stayed in Turkey and save on the air ticket by sending him back to Paris for a short stay before the next vote by the Senate! :wink:
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Re: France to Recognise Turkish Genocide of Armenians?

Postby Get Real! » Tue Jan 03, 2012 4:46 pm

It must be so embarrassing for the Turkish ambassador traveling back and forth to France just because Erdogan keeps getting upset about something that happened a century ago!

If he was smart he would simply remind the world that modern Turkey is a new entity that should not be held responsible for a former entity’s bad deeds any more than modern Germany being held responsible for Prussia’s bad deeds!

But stupidity in Turkey reigns supreme… :?
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Re: France to Recognise Turkish Genocide of Armenians?

Postby Get Real! » Tue Jan 03, 2012 5:02 pm

And btw…

When will modern Greece own up to the genocide of Cypriots?

Do they not claim that Cyprus is a Greek island and that its inhabitants are Greeks?

Ok, so where the hell have all the original Cypriots gone???

How did such a replacement of the indigenous Cypriots take place if not via a genocide?
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Re: France to Recognise Turkish Genocide of Armenians?

Postby bill cobbett » Tue Jan 03, 2012 5:19 pm

Get Real! wrote:It must be so embarrassing for the Turkish ambassador traveling back and forth to France just because Erdogan keeps getting upset about something that happened a century ago!

If he was smart he would simply remind the world that modern Turkey is a new entity that should not be held responsible for a former entity’s bad deeds any more than modern Germany being held responsible for Prussia’s bad deeds!

But stupidity in Turkey reigns supreme… :?


Maybe Turkey's problem is that there is an over-spill in to the modern Turkish era.

The group calling themselves "Young Turks", who played a part in the inspiration of the new present-day state of Turkey, are implicated in the last years of the Genocide.
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Re: France to Recognise Turkish Genocide of Armenians?

Postby kurupetos » Tue Jan 03, 2012 5:24 pm

Get Real! wrote:Ok, so where the hell have all the original Cypriots gone???

They have never existed. Yes, we are all Hellenes, including Turkish Cypriots. :wink:
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Re: France to Recognise Turkish Genocide of Armenians?

Postby kimon07 » Tue Jan 03, 2012 6:07 pm

Get Real! wrote:And How did such a replacement of the indigenous Cypriots take place if not via a genocide?


I suppose we must first determine the "WHEN"

And then sue ...Kings Paphos and Kinyras and maybe that damn king of Salamis Telamon, who did not accept his son home when back from the Trojan war, blaming him for the death of his other son, Ajax, and made him come to CY and build Salamis of CY. :lol:

PS. Can you determine WHEN? If so, start a new thread about it. I will be there to have fun. Why don't you call it "The Greek Genocide Against Cypriots". Go ahead and make a fool of yourselfe once again.
And after all that, then you tell us who's payroll you are on. 8)
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Re: France to Recognise Turkish Genocide of Armenians?

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Tue Jan 03, 2012 7:17 pm

kimon07 wrote:
Get Real! wrote:And How did such a replacement of the indigenous Cypriots take place if not via a genocide?


I suppose we must first determine the "WHEN"

And then sue ...Kings Paphos and Kinyras and maybe that damn king of Salamis Telamon, who did not accept his son home when back from the Trojan war, blaming him for the death of his other son, Ajax, and made him come to CY and build Salamis of CY. :lol:

PS. Can you determine WHEN? If so, start a new thread about it. I will be there to have fun. Why don't you call it "The Greek Genocide Against Cypriots". Go ahead and make a fool of yourselfe once again.
And after all that, then you tell us who's payroll you are on. 8)


Caught off-guard, his more rational self emerges:

Get Real! wrote:The Natural Selection Process of Cyprus

The natural selection process of Cyprus has already been in motion for thousands of years. The indigenous Cypriots have seen off scores of invaders and occupiers and none of these aliens have lasted the ultimate test of time.

The people we call “Greek Cypriots” today are the naturally selected indigenous people of this island and are pre-destined to dominate, rule, and prosper, on this troubled land.


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