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EU criteria is as far as I recall a minimum of 5 years residency before you can even be considered for permanent residency rights which include voting rights.

5 - 8 years, make application only if you legally enetered the country. All your illegals do not qualify however many years and generations they have been there.

Illegal entry qualifies for jack only deporation back to their own shithole.

Your constant twisting of words, metaphors, lies and turkish propoganda does not wash here, so take your illegal anatolion gypsies and FO outta Cyprus.

I think that answers you fully. Over and out.

We are not debating that issue you vile creature.

You are debating citizenship and the right to vote you sack of shit, in case it has escaped your attention.

Illegal anatolian gypsies have no rights in the RoC.

[Viewpoint]

EU criteria is as far as I recall a minimum of 5 years residency before you can even be considered for permanent residency rights which include voting rights.

5 - 8 years, make application only if you legally enetered the country. All your illegals do not qualify however many years and generations they have been there.

Illegal entry qualifies for jack only deporation back to their own shithole.

Your constant twisting of words, metaphors, lies and turkish propoganda does not wash here, so take your illegal anatolion gypsies and FO outta Cyprus.

I think that answers you fully. Over and out.

We are not debating that issue you vile creature.

You are debating citizenship and the right to vote you sack of shit, in case it has escaped your attention.

Illegal anatolian gypsies have no rights in the RoC.

Fuck off.

[bill cobbett]

EU criteria is as far as I recall a minimum of 5 years residency before you can even be considered for permanent residency rights which include voting rights.

Oh, if only everything was as simple as a one liner...

CY Nationals have no restrictions on residence and voting throughout CY. If their name appears on the Electoral Roll they get to vote in the constituency of their residence for all elections from Day 1.

Other EU National can vote in Local, Municipal and European elections for the constituency in which they live providing their name appears on the Electoral Roll for those elections. There is no minimum requirement for the length of their residency. A day, a month, a couple of years, it don't matter.

For General/National Elections, there is a requirement of perm residence which is as you say 5 years.

"EU Criteria" from europa.eu ...

[i]The following directive applies to EU citizens moving to another member-state.

Elections

If you live in another EU country, you have the right to vote and to stand as a candidate in municipal and European elections held in that country. The conditions are the same for you as for nationals.

Getting on the electoral roll

If you want to vote in these elections, you need to express your intention to do so and ask to be put on the electoral roll in that country. You will be asked to supply information such as your nationality and address.

Right to move and right of residence for up to three months

All Union citizens have the right to enter another Member State by virtue of having an identity card or valid passport. Under no circumstances can an entry or exit visa be required. Where the citizens concerned do not have travel documents, the host Member State must afford them every reasonable means in obtaining the requisite documents or having them sent.

Family members who do not have the nationality of a Member State enjoy the same rights as the citizen who they have accompanied. They may be subject to a short-stay visa requirement under Regulation (EC) No 539/2001. Residence permits will be deemed equivalent to short-stay visas.

For stays of less than three months, the only requirement on Union citizens is that they possess a valid identity document or passport. The host Member State may require the persons concerned to register their presence in the country within a reasonable and non-discriminatory period of time.

Right of residence for more than three months

The right of residence for more than three months remains subject to certain conditions. Applicants must:

either be engaged in economic activity (on an employed or self-employed basis);
or have sufficient resources and sickness insurance to ensure that they do not become a burden on the social services of the host Member State during their stay. The Member States may not specify a minimum amount which they deem sufficient, but they must take account of personal circumstances;
or be following vocational training as a student and have sufficient resources and sickness insurance to ensure that they do not become a burden on the social services of the host Member State during their stay;
or be a family member of a Union citizen who falls into one of the above categories.
Residence permits are abolished for Union citizens. However, Member States may require them to register with the competent authorities within a period of not less than three months as from the date of arrival. Proof of registration will be issued immediately on presentation of:

an identity card or valid passport;
proof that the above conditions are complied with (see Article 9 of the Directive on the proof required for each category of citizen). Union citizens engaged in training must show, by means of a statement or any other means, that they have sufficient resources for themselves and for the members of their families to ensure that they do not become a burden on the social services of the host Member State. This will be sufficient to prove that they comply with the resources condition.
Family members of Union citizens who are not nationals of a Member State must apply for a residence permit for family members of Union citizens. These permits are valid for five years from their date of issue.

Under certain conditions the death of the Union citizen, his or her departure from the host Member State, divorce, annulment of marriage or termination of partnership does not affect the right of family members who are not nationals of a Member State to continue residing in the Member State in question.

Right of permanent residence

Union citizens acquire the right of permanent residence in the host Member State after a five-year period of uninterrupted legal residence, provided that an expulsion decision has not been enforced against them. This right of permanent residence is no longer subject to any conditions. The same rule applies to family members who are not nationals of a Member State and who have lived with a Union citizen for five years. The right of permanent residence is lost only in the event of more than two successive years' absence from the host Member State.

Union citizens who so request receive a document certifying their right to permanent residence. The Member States issue to third country family members permanent residence permits which are valid indefinitely and renewable automatically every ten years no later than six months after the application is made. Citizens can use any form of evidence generally accepted in the host Member State to prove that they have been continuously resident.[/i]

[bill cobbett]

... and will you two pack it in with the expletives pleeeeeeese.

[Viewpoint]

EU criteria is as far as I recall a minimum of 5 years residency before you can even be considered for permanent residency rights which include voting rights.

Oh, if only everything was as simple as a one liner...

CY Nationals have no restrictions on residence and voting throughout CY. If their name appears on the Electoral Roll they get to vote in the constituency of their residence for all elections from Day 1.

Other EU National can vote in Local, Municipal and European elections for the constituency in which they live providing their name appears on the Electoral Roll for those elections. There is no minimum requirement for the length of their residency. A day, a month, a couple of years, it don't matter.

For General/National Elections, there is a requirement of perm residence which is as you say 5 years.

"EU Criteria" from europa.eu ...

[i]The following directive applies to EU citizens moving to another member-state.

Elections

If you live in another EU country, you have the right to vote and to stand as a candidate in municipal and European elections held in that country. The conditions are the same for you as for nationals.

Getting on the electoral roll

If you want to vote in these elections, you need to express your intention to do so and ask to be put on the electoral roll in that country. You will be asked to supply information such as your nationality and address.

Right to move and right of residence for up to three months

All Union citizens have the right to enter another Member State by virtue of having an identity card or valid passport. Under no circumstances can an entry or exit visa be required. Where the citizens concerned do not have travel documents, the host Member State must afford them every reasonable means in obtaining the requisite documents or having them sent.

Family members who do not have the nationality of a Member State enjoy the same rights as the citizen who they have accompanied. They may be subject to a short-stay visa requirement under Regulation (EC) No 539/2001. Residence permits will be deemed equivalent to short-stay visas.

For stays of less than three months, the only requirement on Union citizens is that they possess a valid identity document or passport. The host Member State may require the persons concerned to register their presence in the country within a reasonable and non-discriminatory period of time.

Right of residence for more than three months

The right of residence for more than three months remains subject to certain conditions. Applicants must:

either be engaged in economic activity (on an employed or self-employed basis);
or have sufficient resources and sickness insurance to ensure that they do not become a burden on the social services of the host Member State during their stay. The Member States may not specify a minimum amount which they deem sufficient, but they must take account of personal circumstances;
or be following vocational training as a student and have sufficient resources and sickness insurance to ensure that they do not become a burden on the social services of the host Member State during their stay;
or be a family member of a Union citizen who falls into one of the above categories.
Residence permits are abolished for Union citizens. However, Member States may require them to register with the competent authorities within a period of not less than three months as from the date of arrival. Proof of registration will be issued immediately on presentation of:

an identity card or valid passport;
proof that the above conditions are complied with (see Article 9 of the Directive on the proof required for each category of citizen). Union citizens engaged in training must show, by means of a statement or any other means, that they have sufficient resources for themselves and for the members of their families to ensure that they do not become a burden on the social services of the host Member State. This will be sufficient to prove that they comply with the resources condition.
Family members of Union citizens who are not nationals of a Member State must apply for a residence permit for family members of Union citizens. These permits are valid for five years from their date of issue.

Under certain conditions the death of the Union citizen, his or her departure from the host Member State, divorce, annulment of marriage or termination of partnership does not affect the right of family members who are not nationals of a Member State to continue residing in the Member State in question.

Right of permanent residence

Union citizens acquire the right of permanent residence in the host Member State after a five-year period of uninterrupted legal residence, provided that an expulsion decision has not been enforced against them. This right of permanent residence is no longer subject to any conditions. The same rule applies to family members who are not nationals of a Member State and who have lived with a Union citizen for five years. The right of permanent residence is lost only in the event of more than two successive years' absence from the host Member State.

Union citizens who so request receive a document certifying their right to permanent residence. The Member States issue to third country family members permanent residence permits which are valid indefinitely and renewable automatically every ten years no later than six months after the application is made. Citizens can use any form of evidence generally accepted in the host Member State to prove that they have been continuously resident.[/i]

Finally the penny has dropped, if a person resides in state A for over 5 years I support that they should apply to .the said state for permanent residency permit and these should be limited like the EU example in Malta

[bill cobbett]

EU criteria is as far as I recall a minimum of 5 years residency before you can even be considered for permanent residency rights which include voting rights.

Oh, if only everything was as simple as a one liner...

CY Nationals have no restrictions on residence and voting throughout CY. If their name appears on the Electoral Roll they get to vote in the constituency of their residence for all elections from Day 1.

Other EU National can vote in Local, Municipal and European elections for the constituency in which they live providing their name appears on the Electoral Roll for those elections. There is no minimum requirement for the length of their residency. A day, a month, a couple of years, it don't matter.

For General/National Elections, there is a requirement of perm residence which is as you say 5 years.

"EU Criteria" from europa.eu ...

[i]The following directive applies to EU citizens moving to another member-state.

Elections

If you live in another EU country, you have the right to vote and to stand as a candidate in municipal and European elections held in that country. The conditions are the same for you as for nationals.

Getting on the electoral roll

If you want to vote in these elections, you need to express your intention to do so and ask to be put on the electoral roll in that country. You will be asked to supply information such as your nationality and address.

Right to move and right of residence for up to three months

All Union citizens have the right to enter another Member State by virtue of having an identity card or valid passport. Under no circumstances can an entry or exit visa be required. Where the citizens concerned do not have travel documents, the host Member State must afford them every reasonable means in obtaining the requisite documents or having them sent.

Family members who do not have the nationality of a Member State enjoy the same rights as the citizen who they have accompanied. They may be subject to a short-stay visa requirement under Regulation (EC) No 539/2001. Residence permits will be deemed equivalent to short-stay visas.

For stays of less than three months, the only requirement on Union citizens is that they possess a valid identity document or passport. The host Member State may require the persons concerned to register their presence in the country within a reasonable and non-discriminatory period of time.

Right of residence for more than three months

The right of residence for more than three months remains subject to certain conditions. Applicants must:

either be engaged in economic activity (on an employed or self-employed basis);
or have sufficient resources and sickness insurance to ensure that they do not become a burden on the social services of the host Member State during their stay. The Member States may not specify a minimum amount which they deem sufficient, but they must take account of personal circumstances;
or be following vocational training as a student and have sufficient resources and sickness insurance to ensure that they do not become a burden on the social services of the host Member State during their stay;
or be a family member of a Union citizen who falls into one of the above categories.
Residence permits are abolished for Union citizens. However, Member States may require them to register with the competent authorities within a period of not less than three months as from the date of arrival. Proof of registration will be issued immediately on presentation of:

an identity card or valid passport;
proof that the above conditions are complied with (see Article 9 of the Directive on the proof required for each category of citizen). Union citizens engaged in training must show, by means of a statement or any other means, that they have sufficient resources for themselves and for the members of their families to ensure that they do not become a burden on the social services of the host Member State. This will be sufficient to prove that they comply with the resources condition.
Family members of Union citizens who are not nationals of a Member State must apply for a residence permit for family members of Union citizens. These permits are valid for five years from their date of issue.

Under certain conditions the death of the Union citizen, his or her departure from the host Member State, divorce, annulment of marriage or termination of partnership does not affect the right of family members who are not nationals of a Member State to continue residing in the Member State in question.

Right of permanent residence

Union citizens acquire the right of permanent residence in the host Member State after a five-year period of uninterrupted legal residence, provided that an expulsion decision has not been enforced against them. This right of permanent residence is no longer subject to any conditions. The same rule applies to family members who are not nationals of a Member State and who have lived with a Union citizen for five years. The right of permanent residence is lost only in the event of more than two successive years' absence from the host Member State.

Union citizens who so request receive a document certifying their right to permanent residence. The Member States issue to third country family members permanent residence permits which are valid indefinitely and renewable automatically every ten years no later than six months after the application is made. Citizens can use any form of evidence generally accepted in the host Member State to prove that they have been continuously resident.[/i]

Finally the penny has dropped, if a person resides in state A for over 5 years I support that they should apply to .the said state for permanent residency permit and these should be limited like the EU example in Malta

You ain't read a word of what posted have you VP ?...

Here are the main points again...

CY Nationals have no restrictions on residence and voting throughout CY. If their name appears on the Electoral Roll they get to vote in the constituency of their residence for all elections from Day 1.

Other EU National can vote in Local, Municipal and European elections for the constituency in which they live providing their name appears on the Electoral Roll for those elections. There is no minimum requirement for the length of their residency. A day, a month, a couple of years, it don't matter.

For General/National Elections, there is a requirement of perm residence which is as you say 5 years.

Oh ... and here's a heads up for you... your Malta example... it was a temporary derogation, long since expired....

[Viewpoint]

EU criteria is as far as I recall a minimum of 5 years residency before you can even be considered for permanent residency rights which include voting rights.

Oh, if only everything was as simple as a one liner...

CY Nationals have no restrictions on residence and voting throughout CY. If their name appears on the Electoral Roll they get to vote in the constituency of their residence for all elections from Day 1.

Other EU National can vote in Local, Municipal and European elections for the constituency in which they live providing their name appears on the Electoral Roll for those elections. There is no minimum requirement for the length of their residency. A day, a month, a couple of years, it don't matter.

For General/National Elections, there is a requirement of perm residence which is as you say 5 years.

"EU Criteria" from europa.eu ...

[i]The following directive applies to EU citizens moving to another member-state.

Elections

If you live in another EU country, you have the right to vote and to stand as a candidate in municipal and European elections held in that country. The conditions are the same for you as for nationals.

Getting on the electoral roll

If you want to vote in these elections, you need to express your intention to do so and ask to be put on the electoral roll in that country. You will be asked to supply information such as your nationality and address.

Right to move and right of residence for up to three months

All Union citizens have the right to enter another Member State by virtue of having an identity card or valid passport. Under no circumstances can an entry or exit visa be required. Where the citizens concerned do not have travel documents, the host Member State must afford them every reasonable means in obtaining the requisite documents or having them sent.

Family members who do not have the nationality of a Member State enjoy the same rights as the citizen who they have accompanied. They may be subject to a short-stay visa requirement under Regulation (EC) No 539/2001. Residence permits will be deemed equivalent to short-stay visas.

For stays of less than three months, the only requirement on Union citizens is that they possess a valid identity document or passport. The host Member State may require the persons concerned to register their presence in the country within a reasonable and non-discriminatory period of time.

Right of residence for more than three months

The right of residence for more than three months remains subject to certain conditions. Applicants must:

either be engaged in economic activity (on an employed or self-employed basis);
or have sufficient resources and sickness insurance to ensure that they do not become a burden on the social services of the host Member State during their stay. The Member States may not specify a minimum amount which they deem sufficient, but they must take account of personal circumstances;
or be following vocational training as a student and have sufficient resources and sickness insurance to ensure that they do not become a burden on the social services of the host Member State during their stay;
or be a family member of a Union citizen who falls into one of the above categories.
Residence permits are abolished for Union citizens. However, Member States may require them to register with the competent authorities within a period of not less than three months as from the date of arrival. Proof of registration will be issued immediately on presentation of:

an identity card or valid passport;
proof that the above conditions are complied with (see Article 9 of the Directive on the proof required for each category of citizen). Union citizens engaged in training must show, by means of a statement or any other means, that they have sufficient resources for themselves and for the members of their families to ensure that they do not become a burden on the social services of the host Member State. This will be sufficient to prove that they comply with the resources condition.
Family members of Union citizens who are not nationals of a Member State must apply for a residence permit for family members of Union citizens. These permits are valid for five years from their date of issue.

Under certain conditions the death of the Union citizen, his or her departure from the host Member State, divorce, annulment of marriage or termination of partnership does not affect the right of family members who are not nationals of a Member State to continue residing in the Member State in question.

Right of permanent residence

Union citizens acquire the right of permanent residence in the host Member State after a five-year period of uninterrupted legal residence, provided that an expulsion decision has not been enforced against them. This right of permanent residence is no longer subject to any conditions. The same rule applies to family members who are not nationals of a Member State and who have lived with a Union citizen for five years. The right of permanent residence is lost only in the event of more than two successive years' absence from the host Member State.

Union citizens who so request receive a document certifying their right to permanent residence. The Member States issue to third country family members permanent residence permits which are valid indefinitely and renewable automatically every ten years no later than six months after the application is made. Citizens can use any form of evidence generally accepted in the host Member State to prove that they have been continuously resident.[/i]

Finally the penny has dropped, if a person resides in state A for over 5 years I support that they should apply to .the said state for permanent residency permit and these should be limited like the EU example in Malta

You ain't read a word of what posted have you VP ?...

I have and accepted it as a basis for voting rights with added precautions and a similar derogation to that of Maltas.

Here are the main points again...

CY Nationals have no restrictions on residence and voting throughout CY. If their name appears on the Electoral Roll they get to vote in the constituency of their residence for all elections from Day 1.

Agreed, the GCs in the south and the TCs in the north.

Other EU National can vote in Local, Municipal and European elections for the constituency in which they live providing their name appears on the Electoral Roll for those elections. There is no minimum requirement for the length of their residency. A day, a month, a couple of years, it don't matter.

Agreed.

For General/National Elections, there is a requirement of perm residence which is as you say 5 years.

Agreed as I stated previously that after completing the 5 year term the given state has to be applied to for approval .

Oh ... and here's a heads up for you... your Malta example... it was a temporary derogation, long since expired....

I was referring to their being a precedence Malta that can be copied for an agreed term.

So what was it exactly that I did read?

[bill cobbett]

EU criteria is as far as I recall a minimum of 5 years residency before you can even be considered for permanent residency rights which include voting rights.

Oh, if only everything was as simple as a one liner...

CY Nationals have no restrictions on residence and voting throughout CY. If their name appears on the Electoral Roll they get to vote in the constituency of their residence for all elections from Day 1.

Other EU National can vote in Local, Municipal and European elections for the constituency in which they live providing their name appears on the Electoral Roll for those elections. There is no minimum requirement for the length of their residency. A day, a month, a couple of years, it don't matter.

For General/National Elections, there is a requirement of perm residence which is as you say 5 years.

"EU Criteria" from europa.eu ...

[i]The following directive applies to EU citizens moving to another member-state.

Elections

If you live in another EU country, you have the right to vote and to stand as a candidate in municipal and European elections held in that country. The conditions are the same for you as for nationals.

Getting on the electoral roll

If you want to vote in these elections, you need to express your intention to do so and ask to be put on the electoral roll in that country. You will be asked to supply information such as your nationality and address.

Right to move and right of residence for up to three months

All Union citizens have the right to enter another Member State by virtue of having an identity card or valid passport. Under no circumstances can an entry or exit visa be required. Where the citizens concerned do not have travel documents, the host Member State must afford them every reasonable means in obtaining the requisite documents or having them sent.

Family members who do not have the nationality of a Member State enjoy the same rights as the citizen who they have accompanied. They may be subject to a short-stay visa requirement under Regulation (EC) No 539/2001. Residence permits will be deemed equivalent to short-stay visas.

For stays of less than three months, the only requirement on Union citizens is that they possess a valid identity document or passport. The host Member State may require the persons concerned to register their presence in the country within a reasonable and non-discriminatory period of time.

Right of residence for more than three months

The right of residence for more than three months remains subject to certain conditions. Applicants must:

either be engaged in economic activity (on an employed or self-employed basis);
or have sufficient resources and sickness insurance to ensure that they do not become a burden on the social services of the host Member State during their stay. The Member States may not specify a minimum amount which they deem sufficient, but they must take account of personal circumstances;
or be following vocational training as a student and have sufficient resources and sickness insurance to ensure that they do not become a burden on the social services of the host Member State during their stay;
or be a family member of a Union citizen who falls into one of the above categories.
Residence permits are abolished for Union citizens. However, Member States may require them to register with the competent authorities within a period of not less than three months as from the date of arrival. Proof of registration will be issued immediately on presentation of:

an identity card or valid passport;
proof that the above conditions are complied with (see Article 9 of the Directive on the proof required for each category of citizen). Union citizens engaged in training must show, by means of a statement or any other means, that they have sufficient resources for themselves and for the members of their families to ensure that they do not become a burden on the social services of the host Member State. This will be sufficient to prove that they comply with the resources condition.
Family members of Union citizens who are not nationals of a Member State must apply for a residence permit for family members of Union citizens. These permits are valid for five years from their date of issue.

Under certain conditions the death of the Union citizen, his or her departure from the host Member State, divorce, annulment of marriage or termination of partnership does not affect the right of family members who are not nationals of a Member State to continue residing in the Member State in question.

Right of permanent residence

Union citizens acquire the right of permanent residence in the host Member State after a five-year period of uninterrupted legal residence, provided that an expulsion decision has not been enforced against them. This right of permanent residence is no longer subject to any conditions. The same rule applies to family members who are not nationals of a Member State and who have lived with a Union citizen for five years. The right of permanent residence is lost only in the event of more than two successive years' absence from the host Member State.

Union citizens who so request receive a document certifying their right to permanent residence. The Member States issue to third country family members permanent residence permits which are valid indefinitely and renewable automatically every ten years no later than six months after the application is made. Citizens can use any form of evidence generally accepted in the host Member State to prove that they have been continuously resident.[/i]

Finally the penny has dropped, if a person resides in state A for over 5 years I support that they should apply to .the said state for permanent residency permit and these should be limited like the EU example in Malta

You ain't read a word of what posted have you VP ?...

I have and accepted it as a basis for voting rights with added precautions and a similar derogation to that of Maltas.

Here are the main points again...

CY Nationals have no restrictions on residence and voting throughout CY. If their name appears on the Electoral Roll they get to vote in the constituency of their residence for all elections from Day 1.

Agreed, the GCs in the south and the TCs in the north.

Other EU National can vote in Local, Municipal and European elections for the constituency in which they live providing their name appears on the Electoral Roll for those elections. There is no minimum requirement for the length of their residency. A day, a month, a couple of years, it don't matter.

Agreed.

For General/National Elections, there is a requirement of perm residence which is as you say 5 years.

Agreed as I stated previously that after completing the 5 year term the given state has to be applied to for approval .

Oh ... and here's a heads up for you... your Malta example... it was a temporary derogation, long since expired....

I was referring to their being a precedence Malta that can be copied for an agreed term.

So what was it exactly that I did read?

Erm ... you have said a few times you would apply EU Criteria but you are going back on that pledge, in the following ways...

Agreed, the GCs in the south and the TCs in the north. ... last night you were asked to find a workaround to avoid using distinctions based on race, ethnicity, colour etc, terms which won't wash in this day and age.

Agreed as I stated previously that after completing the 5 year term the given state has to be applied to for approval .... EU Criteria is that EU Nationals don't ask for permission or for approval, it's an automatic right of registration.

I was referring to their being a precedence Malta that can be copied for an agreed term., well not directly your responsibility, but your Mr Eroglu went cap in hand to Brussels a few days ago begging for Permanent Derogations. For a settlement to become part of EU Primary Law. Something which he may well not get.

[Viewpoint]

bill cobbett

Erm ... you have said a few times you would apply EU Criteria but you are going back on that pledge, in the following ways..

I shall give you some more clarification as you seem confused once again.

Agreed, the GCs in the south and the TCs in the north. ... last night you were asked to find a workaround to avoid using distinctions based on race, ethnicity, colour etc, terms which won't wash in this day and age.

This was just for clarity you seem to be nit picking once again, the original electoral roll will contain those who are currently resident in the given state. People are free to move and settle where they wish but to change electoral rolls they have to reside in that state for a 5 year term.....other issues eg local elections etc because i know you will now try to confuse matters even further are as stated in the EU directive..I get the feeling you are trying to annoy for the sake of it...are you over the age of 60? as you appear to display that temperament.

Agreed as I stated previously that after completing the 5 year term the given state has to be applied to for approval .... EU Criteria is that EU Nationals don't ask for permission or for approval, it's an automatic right of registration.

What about trouble makers or undesirables?

I was referring to their being a precedence Malta that can be copied for an agreed term., well not directly your responsibility, but your Mr Eroglu went cap in hand to Brussels a few days ago begging for Permanent Derogations. For a settlement to become part of EU Primary Law. Something which he may well not get.

So we agree that this derogation can be implemented as was the case with Malta.

[bill cobbett]

bill cobbett

Erm ... you have said a few times you would apply EU Criteria but you are going back on that pledge, in the following ways..

I shall give you some more clarification as you seem confused once again.

Agreed, the GCs in the south and the TCs in the north. ... last night you were asked to find a workaround to avoid using distinctions based on race, ethnicity, colour etc, terms which won't wash in this day and age.

This was just for clarity you seem to be nit picking once again, the original electoral roll will contain those who are currently resident in the given state. People are free to move and settle where they wish but to change electoral rolls they have to reside in that state for a 5 year term.....other issues eg local elections etc because i know you will now try to confuse matters even further are as stated in the EU directive..I get the feeling you are trying to annoy for the sake of it...are you over the age of 60? as you appear to display that temperament.

Agreed as I stated previously that after completing the 5 year term the given state has to be applied to for approval .... EU Criteria is that EU Nationals don't ask for permission or for approval, it's an automatic right of registration.

What about trouble makers or undesirables?

I was referring to their being a precedence Malta that can be copied for an agreed term., well not directly your responsibility, but your Mr Eroglu went cap in hand to Brussels a few days ago begging for Permanent Derogations. For a settlement to become part of EU Primary Law. Something which he may well not get.

So we agree that this derogation can be implemented as was the case with Malta.

let's have a look and see...

Oooooh finally a little progress.

Finally we move away from the usual labels of "gcs", "tcs" and define suffrage according to residence.

... but again have to remind you of the EU Criteria which you chose, not me, so for CY Nationals there is no 5 year residency requirement, they get voting rights in all elections on Day Zero along with the right of residency anywhere they choose in CY..

... on the matter of "trouble-makers and undesirables" , these, whoever you may mean them to be, if there are criminals of some kind they come within the criminal code if they have committed crimes.

... on the matter of derogations, there will inevitably be a transitional period for a lot of the aspects of the settlement. The derogations must be temporary and for no longer than say five years.

... as to my age and temperament... mind your own.