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[bill cobbett]

Not with you Bill? I did say anyone of any ethnic origin can you be more specific.

You need to think of other ways to make the distinction, to come up with the same result, of who lives and therefore votes in the northern zone without referring to race, ethnicity or religion cos these are unattractive distinctions in this day and age.

So come up with something that gets the same result without referring to descriptions such as Turk, Greek, tc, gc, christian and moslem etc.

I think we have crossed wires, I said anyone regardless of those differences as long as they have gained citizenship of that state.

Ah but there you have it VP ... straightaway, "citizenship" is confined to members of a national state, not a zone, there is only one citizenship, it's part of our agreements... a single citizenship... so again you have to come up with a better description without referring to the old ways of race, ethnicity etc to define who has the right to live in the northern zone. It can be done.

[Viewpoint]

Not with you Bill? I did say anyone of any ethnic origin can you be more specific.

You need to think of other ways to make the distinction, to come up with the same result, of who lives and therefore votes in the northern zone without referring to race, ethnicity or religion cos these are unattractive distinctions in this day and age.

So come up with something that gets the same result without referring to descriptions such as Turk, Greek, tc, gc, christian and moslem etc.

I think we have crossed wires, I said anyone regardless of those differences as long as they have gained citizenship of that state.

Ah but there you have it VP ... straightaway, "citizenship" is confined to members of a national state, not a zone, there is only one citizenship, it's part of our agreements... a single citizenship... so again you have to come up with a better description without referring to the old ways of race, ethnicity etc to define who has the right to live in the northern zone. It can be done.

Bill you are playing with words, if there is to be a BBF with political equality of the two states, then the individual will have to have gained the right to vote for of candidates of the state they reside and pay taxes in eg me in the north you in the south....no mention of religion ethnic origin or sex etc etc....now do you understand?

[bill cobbett]

Not with you Bill? I did say anyone of any ethnic origin can you be more specific.

You need to think of other ways to make the distinction, to come up with the same result, of who lives and therefore votes in the northern zone without referring to race, ethnicity or religion cos these are unattractive distinctions in this day and age.

So come up with something that gets the same result without referring to descriptions such as Turk, Greek, tc, gc, christian and moslem etc.

I think we have crossed wires, I said anyone regardless of those differences as long as they have gained citizenship of that state.

Ah but there you have it VP ... straightaway, "citizenship" is confined to members of a national state, not a zone, there is only one citizenship, it's part of our agreements... a single citizenship... so again you have to come up with a better description without referring to the old ways of race, ethnicity etc to define who has the right to live in the northern zone. It can be done.

Bill you are playing with words, if there is to be a BBF with political equality of the two states, then the individual will have to have gained the right to vote for of candidates of the state they reside and pay taxes in eg me in the north you in the south....no mention of religion ethnic origin or sex etc etc....now do you understand?

Yes, the English Language is a lovely thing but so full of words with double/multiple meaning, so it is important to decide on meanings, especially in the CY context, this word "citizenship", so do you agree the only citizenship is one that applies to whole nation and not to its constituent zones??? ... then we can move on.

[humanist]

VP

Well said as long as you vote on your side and I vote on mine.

But I wanna vote for you because your incapable of a vote LOL ......

[Viewpoint]

For you Bill....

OK lets clarify this as you appear confused or are just plain stupid, 2 states, if you have residency and pay taxes in state A you vote in that state for the representatives of your choice uo for election in state A, if you are permanently resident in state B then you have to vote in that state for the representative of your choice in state B to go to the federal level. You can call them what you wish as they are all citizens of a united country with 2 states A and B but cannot cross vote from state A to B or vice versa, they have to meet specific criteria of residency to be allowed to vote in the given state...now have you got it?

[Viewpoint]

VP

Well said as long as you vote on your side and I vote on mine.

But I wanna vote for you because your incapable of a vote LOL ......

You cant vote for me as we dont live in the same state and I cant vote for you.

[bill cobbett]

For you Bill....

OK lets clarify this as you appear confused or are just plain stupid, 2 states, if you have residency and pay taxes in state A you vote in that state for the representatives of your choice uo for election in state A, if you are permanently resident in state B then you have to vote in that state for the representative of your choice in state B to go to the federal level. You can call them what you wish as they are all citizens of a united country with 2 states A and B but cannot cross vote from state A to B or vice versa, they have to meet specific criteria of residency to be allowed to vote in the given state...now have you got it?

Ain't been talking about voting and nonsense about... A votes for B but B can't vote for A unless there's an R in the month.

It's what you are now calling "the specific criteria of residence" that have been asking for clarification from you on all this evening...

So let me ask again, how do you define the "specific criteria for residency" within each zone without referring to race, ethnicity, size of knob, colour, religion. ???

[Kikapu]

North State = Person with voting right in this state = 1vote = MP}
---------------------------------------------------------------------------- }United Cyprus
South State = Person with voting right in this state = 1vote = MP}

Simple enough for you Kikapoo?

YES, very simple, in fact too simple. As simple as your initial statement. I did not ask for a simple response, but a fully detailed one to explain to us what does "one man one vote" means to you while incorporating no racists practices, ie, having the EU Principles to apply to the "one man one vote".

Btw, just who exactly are these "Persons with voting rights in this state"?

Now, give us what I've asked of you and don't give us anymore of your simple answers.

People who have met the criteria and have citizenship of that state, you may want to complicate matters as a cloud screen but this point is quite clear if anyone of any ethnic origin has gained the right to reside in the given state then they have the right to use their one vote to choose whom ever they wish from the candidates or party standing for election.

citizenship of that state

You can't forget the AP, can you? Well, forget the AP, VP, because AP is Dead & Buried. There cannot be separate citizenship imposed by each state since they will not be independent sovereign states. If it were to be, then you will make all the Turks from Turkey European citizens. There will ONLY be one citizenship given to those by the Cyprus Federal Government and any and ALL Cypriots given citizenship by the Federal Government residing in any of the states will be allowed to vote and run for office withing that state of residence. Voting for the President/vice President will come as "one man one vote" from both the states as one vote.

[Viewpoint]

For you Bill....

OK lets clarify this as you appear confused or are just plain stupid, 2 states, if you have residency and pay taxes in state A you vote in that state for the representatives of your choice uo for election in state A, if you are permanently resident in state B then you have to vote in that state for the representative of your choice in state B to go to the federal level. You can call them what you wish as they are all citizens of a united country with 2 states A and B but cannot cross vote from state A to B or vice versa, they have to meet specific criteria of residency to be allowed to vote in the given state...now have you got it?

Ain't been talking about voting and nonsense about... A votes for B but B can't vote for A unless there's an R in the month.

It's what you are now calling "the specific criteria of residence" that have been asking for clarification from you on all this evening...

So let me ask again, how do you define the "specific criteria for residency" within each zone without referring to race, ethnicity, size of knob, colour, religion. ???

Lets use EU criteria when can a German who resides in Spain vote?

[Viewpoint]

North State = Person with voting right in this state = 1vote = MP}
---------------------------------------------------------------------------- }United Cyprus
South State = Person with voting right in this state = 1vote = MP}

Simple enough for you Kikapoo?

YES, very simple, in fact too simple. As simple as your initial statement. I did not ask for a simple response, but a fully detailed one to explain to us what does "one man one vote" means to you while incorporating no racists practices, ie, having the EU Principles to apply to the "one man one vote".

Btw, just who exactly are these "Persons with voting rights in this state"?

Now, give us what I've asked of you and don't give us anymore of your simple answers.

People who have met the criteria and have citizenship of that state, you may want to complicate matters as a cloud screen but this point is quite clear if anyone of any ethnic origin has gained the right to reside in the given state then they have the right to use their one vote to choose whom ever they wish from the candidates or party standing for election.

citizenship of that state

You can't forget the AP, can you? Well, forget the AP, VP, because AP is Dead & Buried. There cannot be separate citizenship imposed by each state since they will not be independent sovereign states. If it were to be, then you will make all the Turks from Turkey European citizens. There will ONLY be one citizenship given to those by the Cyprus Federal Government and any and ALL Cypriots given citizenship by the Federal Government residing in any of the states will be allowed to vote and run for office withing that state of residence. Voting for the President/vice President will come as "one man one vote" from both the states as one vote.

Please try to keep up, the important issue is residency and when does one gain a vote, I have suggested to Bill that to should be along the lines of the EU, do you agree?