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[halil]

If not solution ..........then interim agreement and international conference by July
Talks on the Cyprus problem have been forging ahead, with the UN determined not to let the last five years of negotiations go to waste. However, reaching an agreement before Cyprus undertakes the EU Presidency now seems unattainable and diplomatic efforts are now focused on at least getting an outline of a solution by then.UN Special Representative in Cyprus, Alexander Downer, has asked the two sides to prepare a 20-page document outlining their positions on all the aspects of the Cyprus problem which will take the form of an outline of an overall solution. In short he has asked them to present their own solution.
The two sides responded positively and last Thursday handed the documents over to the UN. The entire UN team of experts is currently in Cyprus and is working on the documents and the to and fro diplomacy will continue despite the Christmas holidays. With the submission of these documents the talks have entered a new phase and will continue intensively up until Greentree 2.The UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon has already thrown some light on how he intends to proceed over the next few weeks at his end of year press conference in New York. He plans to present personally throughout the two days of talks at Greentree, that he intends to maximise progress up until the Cyprus Presidency, and he hoped to be able to move on to an international conference.
A more specific move from the UN S-G is expected in the next few days making is intentions even clearer in view of the tripartite meeting in January with the aim of producing a joint document that may open the way for a conference.The UN’s aim is to capitalise on all that has been achieved over the four years of talks by incorporating it all in a 20-page document covering all aspects of the Cyprus problem and signed by both leaders.This document will remain as a legacy to the next President who will be elected immediately after the Cyprus EU Presidency. The details of an overall solution could in the meantime be fleshed out during this current presidency.

After half a century of experience of the Cyprus problem, and especially after the last ten years, the international community is wise to the rules of the game that Cyprus’ politicians are playing .......

Time is short, says UN S-GThe window of opportunity for further progress in negotiations is very much limited, UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said in New York at his end of year press conference this week. “I believe that time is quite limited”, he added as Cyprus is going to take the Presidency of the European Union from 1 July next year.
“It may be politically difficult and sensitive, when the Presidency of the European Union is now going to be part of this. And practically speaking, the Presidency of the European Union will be heavily involved in all other European issues. Therefore, we are trying to maximize this progress in Cyprus”, he explained. He said he would be spending two days with the two leader at Greentree in late January for “a more intensive consultation, negotiation, than the previous Greentree negotiations”. “We hope that with the positive result of the January negotiations, we can move ahead towards the international conference to deal with these issues. But let us hope that, before they come to Greentree, both leaders must engage and make progress, accelerating their pace of negotiation”.

[B25]

The UNSG should be demanding turkey abides by the UN Resolutions against her instead of all this pussyfooting around turkey.

We do not need 20 pages but a few lines, thus;

1. All Anatolian Gypsies (aka settlers) out of Cyprus
2. Turkish troops out of Cyprus
3. Refugees return to their properties
4. The RoC to take control of its country.

Then we begin serious talks. Until then, there is nothing to discuss.

Oh, and as a footnote, Carpetbaggers to be evict en-masse.

So, to save money, time and effort, the UNSG should read this and be done with it.

Thanks for listening.

[bill cobbett]

A reminder please that one of the most important basis of the talks is that...

Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed.

... so Pres X cannot bind the next President and leave him/her with the legacy of a partial "agreement".

Halil... can we have the source of your post please... it's not that we want to check out the provenance of the report you understand.

[halil]

After today meeting Eroğlu said:that the meeting was conducted under a positive and constructive atmosphere.....( not like last meeting.....where UN and both parties was upset ....they must get the message ).......

[Hermes]

This document will remain as a legacy to the next President who will be elected immediately after the Cyprus EU Presidency.

So the UN are winding down the current talks and are looking forward to re-start the talks in 2013 with the next RoC President. I guess that answers VP's question as to what happens after January 2012...

[Viewpoint]

This document will remain as a legacy to the next President who will be elected immediately after the Cyprus EU Presidency.

So the UN are winding down the current talks and are looking forward to re-start the talks in 2013 with the next RoC President. I guess that answers VP's question as to what happens after January 2012...

As mentioned already nothing is agreed until everything is agreed.

[bill cobbett]

This document will remain as a legacy to the next President who will be elected immediately after the Cyprus EU Presidency.

So the UN are winding down the current talks and are looking forward to re-start the talks in 2013 with the next RoC President. I guess that answers VP's question as to what happens after January 2012...

As mentioned already nothing is agreed until everything is agreed.

... unless of course there are no agreements to freeze for later in the year and only what are called "convergences" are put on hold ... ...

[Viewpoint]

This document will remain as a legacy to the next President who will be elected immediately after the Cyprus EU Presidency.

So the UN are winding down the current talks and are looking forward to re-start the talks in 2013 with the next RoC President. I guess that answers VP's question as to what happens after January 2012...

As mentioned already nothing is agreed until everything is agreed.

... unless of course there are no agreements to freeze for later in the year and only what are called "convergences" are put on hold ... ...

There will be no end result even if convergences are carried forward because if certain chapters are not agreed then it all falls through.

[SKI-preo]

A partial settlement is unlikely as Cyprus gains favour with the west and Israel while the esteem of Turkey is in free fall.

[repulsewarrior]

...and even if there is no settlement, this leadership will change; none of the old guard is left, even their protoges are getting older. the youth are growing as a political force and it is easy for them to see that they can reject the dogma that is keeping them apart, more than likely their love for this island will drive them together against its plunder, and toward the Universal Principals this impasse excludes.

...steady as she goes, the world will say, Turkey will say otherwise. seriously, the world seems choking for war; will Israel bomb Iran first? And Pakistan are they set with Turkey (whose Army is it now?) to steal Afghanistan? (a Moslem bomb against the West's?) Where is China (and Brazil) in all this? Cyprus as that trigger, only Erdogan knows.

...interim agreement & int. conference sounds to me a winding down so that after January a smooth transition of all this work can be prepared to be useful to those who will in the future commit themselves to the Problem.

...but as vp says nothing will be agreed to until everything will be agreed to.