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[kurupetos]

You are weak then. A weak warrior is soon to become a dead warrior.

...i would rather die a Greek than a "Greek"

...i would rather die fighting for the Freedom of Cyprus, than to be a part of the status quo.

you call this weak, i think any other stance is cowardice...

I confused you.

[Kikapu]

Are they able to vote for elections in the south if they live in the south and pay their taxes?

Your questions are answered by our good friend Pyro at this link.

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Do you think the EU will ignore the TCs leaving them out in the cold when you know what the EU stands for?

Yes, they will tell you to help yourself out from the cold, there is a bombfire in Amsterdam.

Then they will show you a checklist,

You will likely start to work through this checklist one chapter at a time but stop after the first one is done. Once you realise that it is not what you want or what you expected, you pick and choose. Satisfied with what is on the menu you will then likely start to negotiate special terms. By this time, your sniffling and your boogers are dripping so you wipe it right across your cheek. faster than it dries to a crust, you pee yourself. standing in your own urine, you look around and, never mind......

So things will not be the same they will change for the TCs in the TRNC.

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the EU will not hand the north to you GCs on a platter you lost any chance you had when the talks collapse next year, they have experienced your intransigence first hand and now know exactly what they are dealing with... greedy spoilt brats of Europe.

This is pathetic, VP. Even by your usual standards. Firstly, the occupied areas are EU territory already by virtue of the RoC. The EU is not going to hand its own territory over to a foreign invader. As for "intransigence" have you forgotten what Merkel said about Turkey's intransigence in the talks? Do you not remember Erdogan's visit to the occupied areas? Have you not read the EU's lack-of-progress report on Turkey? Have you not noticed the universal condemnation of Turkey's threats against Cyprus? Are you not aware of the gas discoveries? Cyprus's alliance with Israel? That Cyprus is about to be EU President.

The GCs are the good guys these days. And Turkey is a troublemaker and regional pain-in-the-butt. As for the "greedy spoilt brats" have you forgotten that's what Erdogan called the Turkish Cypriot protesters? Do you think those spoilt brats have forgotten what Erdogan thinks of them?

I know it was Turkey's plan for the talks to collapse and then blame the GCs and hope for recognition. But that plan went down the toilet ages ago. There's no point in your coming on here and pretending that the EU is going to aid Turkey in partitioning the island. I'm afraid you are completely and utterly deluded.

Herpees you are complicating things for the sake of it, clear the cobwebs from your brain and just answer this one simple question, one the talks have faded onto the distance:

Do you think the EU will ignore the TCs leaving them out in the cold?

The TCs are not in the cold. The "trnc" is in the cold and will remain so. The TCs are citizens of the RoC and EU Citizens and are free to move to any part of the island or the EU if they do not wish to suffer the consequences of being in the illegal "trnc" with illegal occupation and illegal settlers. If the TCs are choosing to remain in the "trnc" despite the consequences imposed on the "trnc" by the world, then they will then have to live with those consequences and shouldn't expect the EU or anyone else to do anything about it, other than getting Turkey and the illegal settlers out of the north. If the TCs do not want to live with the consequences imposed on the illegal "trnc", then they should accept a settlement based on EU Principles and tell Turkey and the settlers to go back home, specially since you want the EU to help the TCs in the north not to suffer from consequences caused by Turkey and the settlers..

Does this also apply to TCs who have lived in the North all their lives?

[Kikapu]

the EU will not hand the north to you GCs on a platter you lost any chance you had when the talks collapse next year, they have experienced your intransigence first hand and now know exactly what they are dealing with... greedy spoilt brats of Europe.

This is pathetic, VP. Even by your usual standards. Firstly, the occupied areas are EU territory already by virtue of the RoC. The EU is not going to hand its own territory over to a foreign invader. As for "intransigence" have you forgotten what Merkel said about Turkey's intransigence in the talks? Do you not remember Erdogan's visit to the occupied areas? Have you not read the EU's lack-of-progress report on Turkey? Have you not noticed the universal condemnation of Turkey's threats against Cyprus? Are you not aware of the gas discoveries? Cyprus's alliance with Israel? That Cyprus is about to be EU President.

The GCs are the good guys these days. And Turkey is a troublemaker and regional pain-in-the-butt. As for the "greedy spoilt brats" have you forgotten that's what Erdogan called the Turkish Cypriot protesters? Do you think those spoilt brats have forgotten what Erdogan thinks of them?

I know it was Turkey's plan for the talks to collapse and then blame the GCs and hope for recognition. But that plan went down the toilet ages ago. There's no point in your coming on here and pretending that the EU is going to aid Turkey in partitioning the island. I'm afraid you are completely and utterly deluded.

Herpees you are complicating things for the sake of it, clear the cobwebs from your brain and just answer this one simple question, one the talks have faded onto the distance:

Do you think the EU will ignore the TCs leaving them out in the cold?

The TCs are not in the cold. The "trnc" is in the cold and will remain so. The TCs are citizens of the RoC and EU Citizens and are free to move to any part of the island or the EU if they do not wish to suffer the consequences of being in the illegal "trnc" with illegal occupation and illegal settlers. If the TCs are choosing to remain in the "trnc" despite the consequences imposed on the "trnc" by the world, then they will then have to live with those consequences and shouldn't expect the EU or anyone else to do anything about it, other than getting Turkey and the illegal settlers out of the north. If the TCs do not want to live with the consequences imposed on the illegal "trnc", then they should accept a settlement based on EU Principles and tell Turkey and the settlers to go back home, specially since you want the EU to help the TCs in the north not to suffer from consequences caused by Turkey and the settlers..

Does this also apply to TCs who have lived in the North all their lives?

The Turkish Occupation of the north had an affect on a lot of Cypriots, so if the TCs who were naturally from the northern part of Cyprus before the occupation took place in 1974, they have the choice to ask the EU/UN for the removal of the Turkish Occupation from Cyprus or move to the southern part of Cyprus voluntarily where their EU Rights will be protected, just as thousands of other Cypriots had to do involuntarily caused by the Turkish occupation. If any hardship is caused to the innocent TCs affected by the Turkish Occupation in the north, it is the responsibility of the Occupying force to see to their needs, therefore, you personally should complain to Turkey if you really care about these innocent TCs to have their needs met, assuming of course, that they don't also want Turkey's occupation in Cyprus to continue.

[Maximus]

Do you think the EU will ignore the TCs leaving them out in the cold when you know what the EU stands for?

Yes, they will tell you to help yourself out from the cold, there is a bombfire in Amsterdam.

Then they will show you a checklist,

You will likely start to work through this checklist one chapter at a time but stop after the first one is done. Once you realise that it is not what you want or what you expected, you pick and choose. Satisfied with what is on the menu you will then likely start to negotiate special terms. By this time, your sniffling and your boogers are dripping so you wipe it right across your cheek. faster than it dries to a crust, you pee yourself. standing in your own urine, you look around and, never mind......

So things will not be the same they will change for the TCs in the TRNC.

If you can convince me reasonably that things might change for TC's living in the T*NC, I would not have a different opinion, I would agree with you. The EU hasn't listened to Turkey and her attempts to negotiate the upgrade of the T*NC up until now and I cant see how the T*NC will do this alone by pushing the RoC, an EU member state to the side. Do you honestly believe that all other EU member states will violate their own treaty, when as it stands, Turkey have an opportunity to prove that they are EU worthy? its like giving someone a job, even though he is unsuitable for the position and failed in the interview stages miserably, just because HE wants the job.

It does not matter which way you look at it, it does not matter what causes you to think otherwise, Turkey is occupying an EU member state and this is in violation of not only international law, but what the EU stands for too. You have to resolve your own internal problems first and the Turks have to resolve their problems with everyone else before she can even dream of being an EU member state. why is it going to be any different for the T*NC? noone recognises the T*NC.

[Get Real!]

The Turkish Occupation of the north had an affect on a lot of Cypriots, so if the TCs who were naturally from the northern part of Cyprus before the occupation took place in 1974, they have the choice to ask the EU/UN for the removal of the Turkish Occupation from Cyprus or move to the southern part of Cyprus voluntarily where their EU Rights will be protected, just as thousands of other Cypriots had to do involuntarily caused by the Turkish occupation. If any hardship is caused to the innocent TCs affected by the Turkish Occupation in the north, it is the responsibility of the Occupying force to see to their needs, therefore, you personally should complain to Turkey if you really care about these innocent TCs to have their needs met, assuming of course, that they don't also want Turkey's occupation in Cyprus to continue.

For as long as many GCs are brainwashed via the Greek-funded ministry of education, that they are “Greeks” then double enosis will remain on Cyprus.

The Cyprus problem is nurtured and prolonged in the primary and secondary schooling of Cyprus where citizens are processed through an ethnic manufacturing factory…

You put Cypriot meat in at one end and get Greek sausages out the other!

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kikapu

The Turkish Occupation of the north had an affect on a lot of Cypriots, so if the TCs who were naturally from the northern part of Cyprus before the occupation took place in 1974, they have the choice to ask the EU/UN for the removal of the Turkish Occupation from Cyprus or move to the southern part of Cyprus voluntarily where their EU Rights will be protected, just as thousands of other Cypriots had to do involuntarily caused by the Turkish occupation. If any hardship is caused to the innocent TCs affected by the Turkish Occupation in the north, it is the responsibility of the Occupying force to see to their needs, therefore, you personally should complain to Turkey if you really care about these innocent TCs to have their needs met, assuming of course, that they don't also want Turkey's occupation in Cyprus to continue.

So your "great" advise to innocent TCs would be to move south into a GC state where they can vote or to ask Turkey to leave together with their financial support.

As you well know both are non starters but we will use the EU angle to move forward in the north seeing that GCs have brought them into the equation.

[repulsewarrior]

it is the responsibility of the Occupying force to see to their needs, therefore, you personally should complain to Turkey if you really care about these innocent TCs to have their needs met, assuming of course, that they don't also want Turkey's occupation in Cyprus to continue.

The Cyprus problem is nurtured and prolonged in the primary and secondary schooling of Cyprus where citizens are processed through an ethnic manufacturing factory…

You have to resolve your own internal problems first and the Turks have to resolve their problems with everyone else before she can even dream of being an EU member state. why is it going to be any different for the T*NC? noone recognises the T*NC.

...this is the advice your fellow forum members offer, vp. indeed, in the immediate sense, TCs, as you call them, can move south.

i suggest you join me, be Cypriot, define Bicommunal so that within a Unitary State of Individuals, as Persons they sustain their daily lives as Majorities through National Assemblies their Goodwill toward the Minorities amongst them.

cheers!

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Are you people for real you are suggesting that I leave everything in the north and move south, why? to live in a GC state where I dont understand the language or feel I belong.