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[Viewpoint]

So you now admit, that Cyprus's internal problems are not unique and that other countries who have become EU members too had/have their own internal problems, just like Turkey has hers, only hers are monumental versus all the other EU members in the club already and those who are likely to join in the future. So, as you can see, the EU did not make a mistake in making Cyprus an EU member.

The split down the middle as you call it now in Cyprus, is caused by the invasion and occupation by Turkey and not by the Cypriots themselves, since they have already proven to be able to live together on the island for centuries. Remove ALL the "Motherlands Traitors" from Cyprus, and the Cypriots themselves will do just fine on their own.

Where did I say they are not unique? I asked is there any country in the EU which is physically divided in 2011?

Why are we divided? this is what you should be asking......is it because we are unable to agree anything in order to live together, the chasm is just to wide as I have always stated and a breakdown in the talks will confirm yet again how right I am. The will, desire and need for a solution just doesn't exist on either side of the divide.

I know why we are divided, because of Invasion and Occupation by Turkey. Remove Turkey from the equation, and the forced division wont last more than 5 minutes.

The only reason the chasm is wide, it is because one side wants a undemocratic system, Human Rights violations, No Rule of Law, International Law violations, An apartheid system, Racist and Fascistic Policies and so on, and the other side wants the EU Principles. Yes, the chasm is very wide indeed. Good luck in you changing the EU into what you want.

You are definitely on a roll here Kikapoo with the jokes;

Why should Turkey go? we have solved absolutely nothing, the only way they will leave is for a comprehensive solution to be found with out that no chance.

Its not the scalpel we object to its the doctor how many more times must I repeat this, democracy and human right blah blah in the wrongs hands can be fatal.

[Hermes]

Let me make it simple for you to understand as you brain appears strained;

1. Will the current talks breakdown?

2. Did you ask us about joining the EU and did we have an effective say?

3. Does the EU have to treat all its citizens equally?

4. Are TCs EU citizens? (your own doing)

Im sure you can work out the rest and what we will be pushing for once the current talks come to a halt and it proved once again that we cannot unite.

VP, you are right. The TCs clearly have the option of approaching the EU as EU citizens and demanding the EU do something about ending the Turkish occupation of EU territory, and insisting that the EU be more active in the negotiating process and that the EU acquis should be a key part of a solution.

I'm sure some TCs will follow your advice and go to Brussels and ask the EU to do more to put an end to the violation of their rights by Turkey. Perhaps you would like to join them as you're so keen on EU involvement these days...

[Kikapu]

So you now admit, that Cyprus's internal problems are not unique and that other countries who have become EU members too had/have their own internal problems, just like Turkey has hers, only hers are monumental versus all the other EU members in the club already and those who are likely to join in the future. So, as you can see, the EU did not make a mistake in making Cyprus an EU member.

The split down the middle as you call it now in Cyprus, is caused by the invasion and occupation by Turkey and not by the Cypriots themselves, since they have already proven to be able to live together on the island for centuries. Remove ALL the "Motherlands Traitors" from Cyprus, and the Cypriots themselves will do just fine on their own.

Where did I say they are not unique? I asked is there any country in the EU which is physically divided in 2011?

Why are we divided? this is what you should be asking......is it because we are unable to agree anything in order to live together, the chasm is just to wide as I have always stated and a breakdown in the talks will confirm yet again how right I am. The will, desire and need for a solution just doesn't exist on either side of the divide.

I know why we are divided, because of Invasion and Occupation by Turkey. Remove Turkey from the equation, and the forced division wont last more than 5 minutes.

The only reason the chasm is wide, it is because one side wants a undemocratic system, Human Rights violations, No Rule of Law, International Law violations, An apartheid system, Racist and Fascistic Policies and so on, and the other side wants the EU Principles. Yes, the chasm is very wide indeed. Good luck in you changing the EU into what you want.

You are definitely on a roll here Kikapoo with the jokes;

Why should Turkey go? we have solved absolutely nothing, the only way they will leave is for a comprehensive solution to be found with out that no chance.

Its not the scalpel we object to its the doctor how many more times must I repeat this, democracy and human right blah blah in the wrongs hands can be fatal.

As I've said, go and convince the EU to give you what you want in a EU state. Good Luck!

[Viewpoint]

Let me make it simple for you to understand as you brain appears strained;

1. Will the current talks breakdown?

2. Did you ask us about joining the EU and did we have an effective say?

3. Does the EU have to treat all its citizens equally?

4. Are TCs EU citizens? (your own doing)

Im sure you can work out the rest and what we will be pushing for once the current talks come to a halt and it proved once again that we cannot unite.

VP, you are right. The TCs clearly have the option of approaching the EU as EU citizens and demanding the EU do something about ending the Turkish occupation of EU territory, and insisting that the EU be more active in the negotiating process and that the EU acquis should be a key part of a solution.

I'm sure some TCs will follow your advice and go to Brussels and ask the EU to do more to put an end to the violation of their rights by Turkey. Perhaps you would like to join them as you're so keen on EU involvement these days...

VP, you are right. The TCs clearly have the option of approaching the EU as EU citizens and demanding the EU do something about ending the isolation imposed by GC stance and lack of a solution and insisting that the EU be more active in applying pressure on the GCs to allow TCs the rights as any other EU citizens without discrimination.

I'm sure some TCs will follow your advice and go to Brussels and ask the EU to do more to put an end to the violation of their rights by GCs. Perhaps you would like to join them as you're so keen on EU involvement these days.

Now my version is much better and you are right I hope to travel to Brussels.

[Viewpoint]

So you now admit, that Cyprus's internal problems are not unique and that other countries who have become EU members too had/have their own internal problems, just like Turkey has hers, only hers are monumental versus all the other EU members in the club already and those who are likely to join in the future. So, as you can see, the EU did not make a mistake in making Cyprus an EU member.

The split down the middle as you call it now in Cyprus, is caused by the invasion and occupation by Turkey and not by the Cypriots themselves, since they have already proven to be able to live together on the island for centuries. Remove ALL the "Motherlands Traitors" from Cyprus, and the Cypriots themselves will do just fine on their own.

Where did I say they are not unique? I asked is there any country in the EU which is physically divided in 2011?

Why are we divided? this is what you should be asking......is it because we are unable to agree anything in order to live together, the chasm is just to wide as I have always stated and a breakdown in the talks will confirm yet again how right I am. The will, desire and need for a solution just doesn't exist on either side of the divide.

I know why we are divided, because of Invasion and Occupation by Turkey. Remove Turkey from the equation, and the forced division wont last more than 5 minutes.

The only reason the chasm is wide, it is because one side wants a undemocratic system, Human Rights violations, No Rule of Law, International Law violations, An apartheid system, Racist and Fascistic Policies and so on, and the other side wants the EU Principles. Yes, the chasm is very wide indeed. Good luck in you changing the EU into what you want.

You are definitely on a roll here Kikapoo with the jokes;

Why should Turkey go? we have solved absolutely nothing, the only way they will leave is for a comprehensive solution to be found with out that no chance.

Its not the scalpel we object to its the doctor how many more times must I repeat this, democracy and human right blah blah in the wrongs hands can be fatal.

As I've said, go and convince the EU to give you what you want in a EU state. Good Luck!

Just waiting for the talks to end.

[Hermes]

The TCs clearly have the option of approaching the EU as EU citizens and demanding the EU do something about ending the isolation imposed by GC stance and lack of a solution and insisting that the EU be more active in applying pressure on the GCs to allow TCs the rights as any other EU citizens without discrimination.

I'm sure some TCs will follow your advice and go to Brussels and ask the EU to do more to put an end to the violation of their rights by GCs. Perhaps you would like to join them as you're so keen on EU involvement these days.

Now my version is much better and you are right I hope to travel to Brussels.

This shows how far removed you are from reality. What on earth makes you think the EU is suddenly going to give Turkey direct trade, direct flights or recognition of the north? Do you think the EU are stupid? Seriously, is this what you're pinning your hopes on once the talks are wound down? Things must be desperate over there in La-La Land...

[Maximus]

The TCs clearly have the option of approaching the EU as EU citizens and demanding the EU do something about ending the isolation imposed by GC stance and lack of a solution and insisting that the EU be more active in applying pressure on the GCs to allow TCs the rights as any other EU citizens without discrimination.

I'm sure some TCs will follow your advice and go to Brussels and ask the EU to do more to put an end to the violation of their rights by GCs. Perhaps you would like to join them as you're so keen on EU involvement these days.

Now my version is much better and you are right I hope to travel to Brussels.

This shows how far removed you are from reality. What on earth makes you think the EU is suddenly going to give Turkey direct trade, direct flights or recognition of the north? Do you think the EU are stupid? Seriously, is this what you're pinning your hopes on once the talks are wound down? Things must be desperate over there in La-La Land...

Completely at the opposite end of the spectrum but wrapped right around so as to be next to, and now it is right!

This might be a continuation of the plan Bagis flirted with a few weeks back, a T*NC EU acccession process of sorts in return for the implementation of the Ankara protocol.

[Viewpoint]

The TCs clearly have the option of approaching the EU as EU citizens and demanding the EU do something about ending the isolation imposed by GC stance and lack of a solution and insisting that the EU be more active in applying pressure on the GCs to allow TCs the rights as any other EU citizens without discrimination.

I'm sure some TCs will follow your advice and go to Brussels and ask the EU to do more to put an end to the violation of their rights by GCs. Perhaps you would like to join them as you're so keen on EU involvement these days.

Now my version is much better and you are right I hope to travel to Brussels.

This shows how far removed you are from reality. What on earth makes you think the EU is suddenly going to give Turkey direct trade, direct flights or recognition of the north? Do you think the EU are stupid? Seriously, is this what you're pinning your hopes on once the talks are wound down? Things must be desperate over there in La-La Land...

With no solution or any hope of one the EU cannot oppose its own beliefs and exclude the TCs they will take measures you do not like, maybe not direct flights but a relaxation of the isolation will occur one way or another. Rome was not built in a day, the hard work is over we have 37% of the island.

You have shot yourselves yet again in the foot, the EU will not hand the north to you GCs on a platter you lost any chance you had when the talks collapse next year, they have experienced your intransigence first hand and now know exactly what they are dealing with... greedy spoilt brats of Europe.

[Viewpoint]

The TCs clearly have the option of approaching the EU as EU citizens and demanding the EU do something about ending the isolation imposed by GC stance and lack of a solution and insisting that the EU be more active in applying pressure on the GCs to allow TCs the rights as any other EU citizens without discrimination.

I'm sure some TCs will follow your advice and go to Brussels and ask the EU to do more to put an end to the violation of their rights by GCs. Perhaps you would like to join them as you're so keen on EU involvement these days.

Now my version is much better and you are right I hope to travel to Brussels.

This shows how far removed you are from reality. What on earth makes you think the EU is suddenly going to give Turkey direct trade, direct flights or recognition of the north? Do you think the EU are stupid? Seriously, is this what you're pinning your hopes on once the talks are wound down? Things must be desperate over there in La-La Land...

Completely at the opposite end of the spectrum but wrapped right around so as to be next to, and now it is right!

This might be a continuation of the plan Bagis flirted with a few weeks back, a T*NC EU acccession process of sorts in return for the implementation of the Ankara protocol.

Each side will pursue their own agenda.

[repulsewarrior]

bravo kikapu, "Motherland Traitors", i like that.

...a good definition for the intolerant that are not Greek and Turk, but "Greek" and "Turk".

repulse can you not see that we cannot agree on anything thats why the talks are heading for failure once again.

...i can see that your dogma does not include the needs of anyone unless they are "Turks". i can see that you do not equate corruption to this denial that Turks exist that are not "Turks". we cannot agree because i am not a "Turk", and i stand against the debate of "Greeks" and "Turks" when it comes to the people who are Greeks and Turks, as Cypriots dismissed, denied a voice by subjugators.

vp, you speak for yourself, i'd still like the (8) answers in AFRIKA. frankly i find that you are too busy tellingothers what they think; or you plead Ignorance because you don't understand my english. indeed, you are my friend, i think about you all the time, and i am grateful for having this dialog with you because as a foil you stimulate quite a lot of thought. but my battle is for Cyprus, its Liberation, and i recognise the need for our deep respect toward Universal Principals, as it was in my village before it was defined as "Mixed". all the wrongs which happened before cannot add up to the betterment we seek as Human Beings, because only "Greeks" and "Turks" in this debate can "win" or "lose", the rest (which includes all Mankind) are marginalised; i am asking you, if you love Cyprus, to join the voice where your Turkishness is no longer identified with an interlocutor's Army and its so called enemies, and that as a Cypriot you choose to take a wider perspective as a way of living.

Turkey's bravado will continue under Erdogan, he still hopes to get all of Cyprus back, it is on the Continental Shelf that Turkey will now fight for...