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[Hermes]

It will not all happen over night but once we have come to the end of the talks each side will pursue their own agenda and ours will be to relax the isolation and move closer and closer to recognition.

I thought there was a plan B! That's the same failed agenda Turkey has been pursuing for 37 years!

[Kikapu]

and that you have forced us all into the EU.

That was a sneaky plan, wasn't it? So much for "taksim" has already happened....

Instead, we united you with the EU

Hello forced into the EU as you never asked us and you conveniently forget as a divided and problematic island.

Hello!

UK had problems with Northern Ireland before entering the EU.

Ireland had problems with Northern Ireland before joining the EU.

Spain had problems with the Basque before joining the EU.



France had problems with Corsicans before joining the EU

Greece had a problem with Macedonia before joining the EU

Serbia has problems with Kosovo and still will join the EU.

Turkey has problems with ALL of Europe, which may be the reason as to why she will NOT be able to join the EU, and that's why she needed the Annan Plan to get her into the EU through the back door with the help the north state, that was to be established in 2004.

So the GCs and TCs had problems in Cyprus before the RoC too joined the EU....so what?

Any split down the middle like us???

So you now admit, that Cyprus's internal problems are not unique and that other countries who have become EU members too had/have their own internal problems, just like Turkey has hers, only hers are monumental versus all the other EU members in the club already and those who are likely to join in the future. So, as you can see, the EU did not make a mistake in making Cyprus an EU member.

The split down the middle as you call it now in Cyprus, is caused by the invasion and occupation by Turkey and not by the Cypriots themselves, since they have already proven to be able to live together on the island for centuries. Remove ALL the "Motherlands Traitors" from Cyprus, and the Cypriots themselves will do just fine on their own.

[Viewpoint]

It will not all happen over night but once we have come to the end of the talks each side will pursue their own agenda and ours will be to relax the isolation and move closer and closer to recognition.

I thought there was a plan B! That's the same failed agenda Turkey has been pursuing for 37 years!

Nothing remains the same with 2 major failures at uniting and a hot potato in the EU will act as catalyst that will take us closer to our goal.

[repulsewarrior]

bravo kikapu, "Motherland Traitors", i like that.

...a good definition for the intolerant that are not Greek and Turk, but "Greek" and "Turk".

[Viewpoint]

So you now admit, that Cyprus's internal problems are not unique and that other countries who have become EU members too had/have their own internal problems, just like Turkey has hers, only hers are monumental versus all the other EU members in the club already and those who are likely to join in the future. So, as you can see, the EU did not make a mistake in making Cyprus an EU member.

The split down the middle as you call it now in Cyprus, is caused by the invasion and occupation by Turkey and not by the Cypriots themselves, since they have already proven to be able to live together on the island for centuries. Remove ALL the "Motherlands Traitors" from Cyprus, and the Cypriots themselves will do just fine on their own.

Where did I say they are not unique? I asked is there any country in the EU which is physically divided in 2011?

Why are we divided? this is what you should be asking......is it because we are unable to agree anything in order to live together, the chasm is just to wide as I have always stated and a breakdown in the talks will confirm yet again how right I am. The will, desire and need for a solution just doesn't exist on either side of the divide.

[Viewpoint]

bravo kikapu, "Motherland Traitors", i like that.

...a good definition for the intolerant that are not Greek and Turk, but "Greek" and "Turk".

repulse can you not see that we cannot agree on anything thats why the talks are heading for failure once again.

[Hermes]

Nothing remains the same with 2 major failures at uniting and a hot potato in the EU will act as catalyst that will take us closer to our goal.

VP, you are such a joker! You complain endlesly about how the EU acquis and EU human rights laws will undermine the TCs, and how the TCs have been "forced" unwillingly into becoming EU citizens, and now you think the EU are going to legitimise the status quo and come to the rescue of the TCs and recognise an illegal state!

You seem confused. You're like a drowning man clutching at any old passing straw. Any other brilliant plans you want to tell us about? We could do with a laugh!

[Viewpoint]

Nothing remains the same with 2 major failures at uniting and a hot potato in the EU will act as catalyst that will take us closer to our goal.

VP, you are such a joker! You complain endlesly about how the EU acquis and EU human rights laws will undermine the TCs, and how the TCs have been "forced" unwillingly into becoming EU citizens, and now you think the EU are going to legitimise the status quo and come to the rescue of the TCs and recognise an illegal state!

You seem confused. You're like a drowning man clutching at any old passing straw. Any other brilliant plans you want to tell us about? We could do with a laugh!

Let me make it simple for you to understand as you brain appears strained;

1. Will the current talks breakdown?

2. Did you ask us about joining the EU and did we have an effective say?

3. Does the EU have to treat all its citizens equally?

4. Are TCs EU citizens? (your own doing)

Im sure you can work out the rest and what we will be pushing for once the current talks come to a halt and it proved once again that we cannot unite.

[Kikapu]

So you now admit, that Cyprus's internal problems are not unique and that other countries who have become EU members too had/have their own internal problems, just like Turkey has hers, only hers are monumental versus all the other EU members in the club already and those who are likely to join in the future. So, as you can see, the EU did not make a mistake in making Cyprus an EU member.

The split down the middle as you call it now in Cyprus, is caused by the invasion and occupation by Turkey and not by the Cypriots themselves, since they have already proven to be able to live together on the island for centuries. Remove ALL the "Motherlands Traitors" from Cyprus, and the Cypriots themselves will do just fine on their own.

Where did I say they are not unique? I asked is there any country in the EU which is physically divided in 2011?

Why are we divided? this is what you should be asking......is it because we are unable to agree anything in order to live together, the chasm is just to wide as I have always stated and a breakdown in the talks will confirm yet again how right I am. The will, desire and need for a solution just doesn't exist on either side of the divide.

I know why we are divided, because of Invasion and Occupation by Turkey. Remove Turkey from the equation, and the forced division wont last more than 5 minutes.

The only reason the chasm is wide, it is because one side wants a undemocratic system, Human Rights violations, No Rule of Law, International Law violations, An apartheid system, Racist and Fascistic Policies and so on, and the other side wants the EU Principles. Yes, the chasm is very wide indeed. Good luck in you changing the EU into what you want.

[Kikapu]

Nothing remains the same with 2 major failures at uniting and a hot potato in the EU will act as catalyst that will take us closer to our goal.

VP, you are such a joker! You complain endlesly about how the EU acquis and EU human rights laws will undermine the TCs, and how the TCs have been "forced" unwillingly into becoming EU citizens, and now you think the EU are going to legitimise the status quo and come to the rescue of the TCs and recognise an illegal state!

You seem confused. You're like a drowning man clutching at any old passing straw. Any other brilliant plans you want to tell us about? We could do with a laugh!

Let me make it simple for you to understand as you brain appears strained;

1. Will the current talks breakdown?

2. Did you ask us about joining the EU and did we have an effective say?

3. Does the EU have to treat all its citizens equally?

4. Are TCs EU citizens? (your own doing)

Im sure you can work out the rest and what we will be pushing for once the current talks come to a halt and it proved once again that we cannot unite.

The EU has already rewarded the TCs as EU citizens. It is the "trnc" that will not get any rewarding from the EU. Can you not see the difference?