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[Pyrpolizer]

Pyro the situation we find ourselves in is a product of the actions of the past but life goes on, on both sides of the divide. So as long as people in the north and south do not want to unite we never will.

But if a solution is placed before us where we can both fully commit then we will. To date there has only been the AP where we were asked and we all know how that turned out...the chasm is just to wide bridge.

Forget the Anan Plan it was designed for other reasons.
The chasm is not as wide as you think. Most issues on government, EU ,economy and central Government have already been agreed.
What's left is the property issue the territorial issues and the matter of settlers.

Put 3 REAL Kibrislis and 3 Kypreoi together and they work out these issues in no time.

Yet Erioglu refuses to even discuss the matter of settlers. And he wants the user to have first say on the properties. And goes crying to EU commissioner asking for permanent derogation and physically impossible things like making the solution a primary law as if anyone could ever force the parliaments of 26 EU members to adopt our whatever agreement on top of their laws.

The problem my dear is not the chasm.
a)It is the settlers who outnumber you and elect leaders for you who in turn have to serve them back.
b)It is the settlers who will never agree on anything a REAL Kibrisli and a Kypreos would agree on properties
c)it is Turkey who dictates to you what to accept and what not.
d)It is the existence of the "trnc" with "constitution" and flags and all those things.You could of have set up an administration without any constitution and call it transitional Federal something, or you could of have used the RoC constitution which is also yours and apply it to the occupied in a transitional manner.

You have done so many mistakes after 1974 that tied knots on your necks and make the solution impossible, no matter how small the real chasm is between REAL CYPRIOTS.

You now need a revolution to change things.

[Maximus]

You now need a revolution to change things.

Their done, and I dont think they have it in them to do much more than run the clock down.

Denktash's legacy will be that of ethnic cleansing, pure and simple.

[boulio]

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i JUST DONT UNDERSTAND that some t/c really cannot comprehend that recognition will never come.If only they really comprehended this and negotiated in good faith there would be a solution to the cyprus problem.A TRUE federal model would be in the t/c community best interest but they seem not to comprehend this.


Look at this way we have what we want 37% of the island, recognition would be the icing on the cake but the important issue is that we have the cake.

What you offer is not enough when countered against what we have today, you have to win us over and you are doing a very bad job of it.


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Im sorry vp ypu dont have anything if your refering to tc,turkey has the 37% of the island i dont understand winning over?

The gc have offered the tc a federal model with self administration of the northern zone,state what everyou want to call it with a strong central govt were the tc will be represented and you still dont want it

[boomerang]

[/boulio wrote:
i JUST DONT UNDERSTAND that some t/c really cannot comprehend that recognition will never come.If only they really comprehended this and negotiated in good faith there would be a solution to the cyprus problem.A TRUE federal model would be in the t/c community best interest but they seem not to comprehend this.


Look at this way we have what we want 37% of the island, recognition would be the icing on the cake but the important issue is that we have the cake.

What you offer is not enough when countered against what we have today, you have to win us over and you are doing a very bad job of it.


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Im sorry vp ypu dont have anything if your refering to tc,turkey has the 37% of the island i dont understand winning over?

The gc have offered the tc a federal model with self administration of the northern zone,state what everyou want to call it with a strong central govt were the tc will be represented and you still dont want it

coz they crave something denied to them by turkey....independence...they think the roc will willingly give it to them...so the blackmails continue, but in reality the world moves on and they get cleansed...and they call them "new tcs"...another perceived blackmail from their behalf, forgetting cutting your own nose inspite of your face... saddly this is the tc reality of today...some would call it karma...i call it sheer stupidity...

turkey is not ready for 2 states yet...they haven't replaced the lot of them yet....not enough migrated yet...not enough turks in the north yet...but will string them along as long as it takes...

even with a 2 state solution anyone thinks turkey would be happy, or everyone thinks the turkey will have power over the roc?...no a 2 state solution means turkey has no say in the roc...does everyone think this is what turkey wants?...this kind of rhetoric is aimed at the mushrooms...

i got news for you all tcs out there...you ain't going anywhere coz your captors are happy the way you are...turkey still believes in guarantorship shit, her whole strategy is surrounded by this, the moment she abandons this strategy the quicker she will lose all arguments...

[Kikapu]

i JUST DONT UNDERSTAND that some t/c really cannot comprehend that recognition will never come.If only they really comprehended this and negotiated in good faith there would be a solution to the cyprus problem.A TRUE federal model would be in the t/c community best interest but they seem not to comprehend this.

Look at this way we have what we want 37% of the island, recognition would be the icing on the cake but the important issue is that we have the cake.

What you offer is not enough when countered against what we have today, you have to win us over and you are doing a very bad job of it.

Of course what the RoC is offering for a settlement to be based on EU Principles is not enough for you, because that would mean you returning most of the stolen GC land which you personally benefit from. The ONLY way the GCs can make a better deal than what you have now, is for them to commit suicide and let you take the rest of Cyprus for Turkey.

[Kikapu]

You people are born Turkey doom and gloom merchants.....watch and learn how its dome one step at a time no need to rush but the difficult part is over we have 37% of the island and are not about to let it go.

Does that cost you more than 50% of your salary?

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/5376.htm

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Per capita GDP income: Greek Cypriots (2010)--$27,945; [b]Turkish Cypriots (2009)--$13,354.[/b]

Pyro, in order for the TCs to have earned $13,354 per capita in 2009, even if we were to count ONLY the so called "trnc citizens" of about 265,000, that would make the north's GDP to be around to be $3.5 Billion USD. Once you add the rest of the Illegal Aliens in the north, this would bring down the per capita to much less than the $13,354. Do you have a reliable GDP results for the north today, because I was under the impression that the north's GDP was around 2-3 Billion USD, and if we take VP's word that there are 500,000 total in the north, then the per capita will be around $6,000 USD at $3 Billion GDP. The recent census numbers in the north gave the number as 300,000 living in the north, which many disputed this number as being too low, but even with that fictitious numbers, the per capita in the north on a $3 Billion GDP would be around $10,000 today.

[Viewpoint]

You people are born Turkey doom and gloom merchants.....watch and learn how its dome one step at a time no need to rush but the difficult part is over we have 37% of the island and are not about to let it go.

Does that cost you more than 50% of your salary?

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/5376.htm

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Per capita GDP income: Greek Cypriots (2010)--$27,945; [b]Turkish Cypriots (2009)--$13,354.[/b]

Pyro, in order for the TCs to have earned $13,354 per capita in 2009, even if we were to count ONLY the so called "trnc citizens" of about 265,000, that would make the north's GDP to be around to be $3.5 Billion USD. Once you add the rest of the Illegal Aliens in the north, this would bring down the per capita to much less than the $13,354. Do you have a reliable GDP results for the north today, because I was under the impression that the north's GDP was around 2-3 Billion USD, and if we take VP's word that there are 500,000 total in the north, then the per capita will be around $6,000 USD at $3 Billion GDP. The recent census numbers in the north gave the number as 300,000 living in the north, which many disputed this number as being too low, but even with that fictitious numbers, the per capita in the north on a $3 Billion GDP would be around $10,000 today.

Still higher than some member states in the so called promised land.

[Viewpoint]

Pyro the situation we find ourselves in is a product of the actions of the past but life goes on, on both sides of the divide. So as long as people in the north and south do not want to unite we never will.

But if a solution is placed before us where we can both fully commit then we will. To date there has only been the AP where we were asked and we all know how that turned out...the chasm is just to wide bridge.

Forget the Anan Plan it was designed for other reasons.
The chasm is not as wide as you think. Most issues on government, EU ,economy and central Government have already been agreed.
What's left is the property issue the territorial issues and the matter of settlers.

Put 3 REAL Kibrislis and 3 Kypreoi together and they work out these issues in no time.

Yet Erioglu refuses to even discuss the matter of settlers. And he wants the user to have first say on the properties. And goes crying to EU commissioner asking for permanent derogation and physically impossible things like making the solution a primary law as if anyone could ever force the parliaments of 26 EU members to adopt our whatever agreement on top of their laws.

The problem my dear is not the chasm.
a)It is the settlers who outnumber you and elect leaders for you who in turn have to serve them back.
b)It is the settlers who will never agree on anything a REAL Kibrisli and a Kypreos would agree on properties
c)it is Turkey who dictates to you what to accept and what not.
d)It is the existence of the "trnc" with "constitution" and flags and all those things.You could of have set up an administration without any constitution and call it transitional Federal something, or you could of have used the RoC constitution which is also yours and apply it to the occupied in a transitional manner.

You have done so many mistakes after 1974 that tied knots on your necks and make the solution impossible, no matter how small the real chasm is between REAL CYPRIOTS.

You now need a revolution to change things.

You are only kidding yourself, after the 3 years of Cypriots trying to agree a solution theses talks are about to come to an end. If so much was agreed then there would be no going back and the property and settlers issues what imo are the easiest wold done and dusted.

You have to understand that the average TCs wants a clear defined solution where he would be better off not one that would gift the whole is land to the GCs and leave them as a minority at the mercy of a revenge seeking GCs we encounter on this forum all to often. Whats the point of doing that? you have to get to grips that TCs would rather assimilate with Turks than give into GCs demands of minority right in a GC state run by GCs.

[Hermes]

you have to get to grips that TCs would rather assimilate with Turks than give into GCs demands of minority right in a GC state run by GCs.

Then they can go to Turkey and assimilate themselves there. No-one is stopping them.

[Kikapu]

You people are born Turkey doom and gloom merchants.....watch and learn how its dome one step at a time no need to rush but the difficult part is over we have 37% of the island and are not about to let it go.

Does that cost you more than 50% of your salary?

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/5376.htm

Code: Select all

Per capita GDP income: Greek Cypriots (2010)--$27,945; [b]Turkish Cypriots (2009)--$13,354.[/b]

Pyro, in order for the TCs to have earned $13,354 per capita in 2009, even if we were to count ONLY the so called "trnc citizens" of about 265,000, that would make the north's GDP to be around to be $3.5 Billion USD. Once you add the rest of the Illegal Aliens in the north, this would bring down the per capita to much less than the $13,354. Do you have a reliable GDP results for the north today, because I was under the impression that the north's GDP was around 2-3 Billion USD, and if we take VP's word that there are 500,000 total in the north, then the per capita will be around $6,000 USD at $3 Billion GDP. The recent census numbers in the north gave the number as 300,000 living in the north, which many disputed this number as being too low, but even with that fictitious numbers, the per capita in the north on a $3 Billion GDP would be around $10,000 today.

Still higher than some member states in the so called promised land.

Really, which state has a $6,000 USD per capita.

Hand out from Turkey and selling off stolen GC properties does help I suppose.