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[Kikapu]

would that be the same 30 Countries that have not recognised the occupied area and the illegal regime as just that?

How would you feel if this happened?

Erdogan most probably got some in the OIC to sign a very vaguely worded letter stating that they would support the TCs. Support for what exactly will not be made clear, just because there won't be anything of substantial to support. Just another attempt by Erdogan to get the GCs to agree to another AP type of settlement before the RoC takes over the rotating Presidency at the EU. Similar shenanigans were done before the 2004 referendum, where supposedly the TCs were going to have everything if the GCs said OXI. Well, the GCs said OXI and the TCs got nothing, and that was before Oil & Gas finds. They will still end up with nothing unless they agree to a settlement based on EU Principles.

[humanist]

Not gonna happen.

[Maximus]

Not gonna happen.

then they will end up with nothing, all of them because the Denktash era is history already.

[Viewpoint]

Never say never......the end of the talks are real close....Greentree will show nothing has been achieved and the end will come soon after.....then we will move away from union to pushing recognition.

[Kikapu]

Never say never......the end of the talks are real close....Greentree will show nothing has been achieved and the end will come soon after.....then we will move away from union to pushing recognition.

The talks will not come to an end. They will just get prolonged endlessly, because there are NO time limits, remember.

[Viewpoint]

Never say never......the end of the talks are real close....Greentree will show nothing has been achieved and the end will come soon after.....then we will move away from union to pushing recognition.

The talks will not come to an end. They will just get prolonged endlessly, because there are NO time limits, remember.

Green tree is just a diplomatic way of placing a time limit these leaders cannot talk forever with no end result.

[Hermes]

Never say never......the end of the talks are real close....Greentree will show nothing has been achieved and the end will come soon after.....then we will move away from union to pushing recognition.

VP, you need to be realistic. There is a UN Security Council Resolution 541 condemning Turkey's land grab in Cyprus in 1983 which does not allow UN member countries to recognize the "trnc". You also should know that the only country which in the past has said it would support the "trnc" is Azerbaijan which has stayed neutral after pressure from the EU and Cyprus that they would recognise the self-declared Nagorno-Karabakh Republic. So if your strategy is to push for recognition then you are wasting your time and condemning the TCs to continued isolation.

The Turkish strategy to collapse the talks, blame the GCs and then push for a two-state solution hasn't worked. In the meantime, the RoC has discovered gas, formed a closer alliance with Israel while Turkey's intransigence has isolated itself from the EU. It couldn't have gone more wrong for Turkey. Turkey is now lumbered with a failed policy which it is sticking to in the meantime because it has no other plan. No plan B, no plan C. Nothing. The question is for how long can Turkey keep on with a failed policy that is going nowhere? And for how long can the TCs put up with being denied their rights by Turkey?

[Viewpoint]

Never say never......the end of the talks are real close....Greentree will show nothing has been achieved and the end will come soon after.....then we will move away from union to pushing recognition.

VP, you need to be realistic. There is a UN Security Council Resolution 541 condemning Turkey's land grab in Cyprus in 1983 which does not allow UN member countries to recognize the "trnc". You also should know that the only country which in the past has said it would support the "trnc" is Azerbaijan which has stayed neutral after pressure from the EU and Cyprus that they would recognise the self-declared Nagorno-Karabakh Republic. So if your strategy is to push for recognition then you are wasting your time and condemning the TCs to continued isolation.

The Turkish strategy to collapse the talks, blame the GCs and then push for a two-state solution hasn't worked. In the meantime, the RoC has discovered gas, formed a closer alliance with Israel while Turkey's intransigence has isolated itself from the EU. It couldn't have gone more wrong for Turkey. Turkey is now lumbered with a failed policy which it is sticking to in the meantime because it has no other plan. No plan B, no plan C. Nothing. The question is for how long can Turkey keep on with a failed policy that is going nowhere? And for how long can the TCs put up with being denied their rights by Turkey?

What strategies will be used by Turkey after the talks break down are directly related to who is seen to be blamed for the impasse and like the AP we think it will yet again be the GCs.

The TCs will continue to side with Turkey for as long as there is no concrete safe alternative, whats on offer at the moment is not just good enough or most TCs would move south tomorrow.

You GCs need to get your brains into gear as it appears you are about to stall once again. You cannot force the TCs to do anything against their will so the only way to get them to unite is to win them over.

[Hermes]

What strategies will be used by Turkey after the talks break down are directly related to who is seen to be blamed for the impasse and like the AP we think it will yet again be the GCs.

The TCs will continue to side with Turkey for as long as there is no concrete safe alternative, whats on offer at the moment is not just good enough or most TCs would move south tomorrow.

You GCs need to get your brains into gear as it appears you are about to stall once again. You cannot force the TCs to do anything against their will so the only way to get them to unite is to win them over.

Turkey has no "strategies", VP. You need to stop living in your little Turkish bubble. The UN is not going to overturn its own resolutions and call for the recognition of the occupied areas. The EU is not going to go against Cyprus. It's over, VP. You need to face reality. Since 2004 you have been predicting recognition or easing of the embargoes. It hasn't happened. Enough of telling us what you think is going to happen. You are always wrong. Every time.

[Maximus]

What strategies will be used by Turkey after the talks break down are directly related to who is seen to be blamed for the impasse and like the AP we think it will yet again be the GCs.

The TCs will continue to side with Turkey for as long as there is no concrete safe alternative, whats on offer at the moment is not just good enough or most TCs would move south tomorrow.

You GCs need to get your brains into gear as it appears you are about to stall once again. You cannot force the TCs to do anything against their will so the only way to get them to unite is to win them over.

Turkey has no "strategies", VP. You need to stop living in your little Turkish bubble. The UN is not going to overturn its own resolutions and call for the recognition of the occupied areas. The EU is not going to go against Cyprus. It's over, VP. You need to face reality. Since 2004 you have been predicting recognition or easing of the embargoes. It hasn't happened. Enough of telling us what you think is going to happen. You are always wrong. Every time.

You only need to acknowledge that the resolutions have continuity and consistency. It would defy all logic for the UN and the EU to suddenly turn on a dime and recognise the T*NC. Those that enter and accept Turkishness and the reality will give away ALL their power to Turkey. I would say that the odds of this happening are zero to none.

Gul, Erdogan and Co will bring Turkey to her knees and she will know that she has no real allies. Iraq will be the next one to go. I dont know how, but they will f&ck their own country up something rotten. reaping and sowing, sowing and reaping add infinitum.